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Cont: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine part 9

Operators from Ukraine’s 412th Nemesis Brigade of the Unmanned Systems Forces have carried out a successful strike against Russian air defense assets, destroying three surface-to-air missile systems in a single operation, the brigade reported on December 12.

According to the unit, the strike was executed by fighters from the Asgard battalion and resulted in the confirmed destruction of two Tor-M1 short-range air defense systems and one Buk-M3 medium-range surface-to-air missile system

united24media.com

Ukraine Punches Almost $100M Hole in Russian Air Defenses With Precision Drone Strikes, Video

Ukraine's 412th Brigade reported a successful operation, taking out two Tor-M1 and one Buk-M3 missile systems.
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On November 20, russian general Sergey Kuzovlev reports to a russian führer, Putin, that Kupiansk is completely under russian control.

On December 9, Putin awards Kuzovlev for “capturing” Kupiansk.

On December 12, President Zelensky sends greetings to Ukrainian soldiers from Kupiansk.

Sometimes, it feels like russians live in an alternative reality

https://twitter.com/x/status/1999665658498298326
 
Speaking of Putin ...

I want the ordinary citizens of Western countries to hear me. You are being persistently told that all your current difficulties are the result of hostile actions by vicious Russia, and that you must pay for the fight against a mythical Russian threat out of your own pockets. All of this is a lie. The truth is that the problems you are facing now are the result of years of actions by the ruling elites of your own countries—their mistakes, short-sightedness, and ambition. They do not think about how to improve your lives; they are obsessed with their own selfish interests and excessive profits - President Putin

https://twitter.com/x/status/1999889216205939008
 
Andy_Ross said:
Speaking of Putin ...

I want the ordinary citizens of Western countries to hear me. You are being persistently told that all your current difficulties are the result of hostile actions by vicious Russia, and that you must pay for the fight against a mythical Russian threat out of your own pockets. All of this is a lie. The truth is that the problems you are facing now are the result of years of actions by the ruling elites of your own countries—their mistakes, short-sightedness, and ambition. They do not think about how to improve your lives; they are obsessed with their own selfish interests and excessive profits - President Putin

https://twitter.com/x/status/1999889216205939008
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Well, he's not entirely wrong there is he?
 
Guybrush Threepwood said:
Well, he's not entirely wrong there is he?
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He's partly right, about the vicious Russia bit. People here think the Russians are a threat. The sort of place that invades its neighbours, commits war crimes, treats its own soldiers like an infinite supply of expendable garbage, sends assassins into our countries with horrible poisons, that sort of vicious thing.

Where he's wrong is that people here think most of their current difficulties are other stuff that's nothing to do with his disastrous invasion of Ukraine. He's completely off target thinking Europeans feel personally burdened by paying for contributions to the defence of Ukraine. Maybe in some places like Poland they are, but there it's probably entirely overshadowed by the sense of direct threat to Poland from vicious Russia. Likewise the Baltic states.

No, he's going to find that line has no traction at all.

I wonder if he really thinks "If only I could talk to the ordinary people, they'd see it my way". No, you mad ◊◊◊◊. We don't.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
He's partly right, about the vicious Russia bit. People here think the Russians are a threat. The sort of place that invades its neighbours, commits war crimes, treats its own soldiers like an infinite supply of expendable garbage, sends assassins into our countries with horrible poisons, that sort of vicious thing.

Where he's wrong is that people here think most of their current difficulties are other stuff that's nothing to do with his disastrous invasion of Ukraine. He's completely off target thinking Europeans feel personally burdened by paying for contributions to the defence of Ukraine. Maybe in some places like Poland they are, but there it's probably entirely overshadowed by the sense of direct threat to Poland from vicious Russia. Likewise the Baltic states.

No, he's going to find that line has no traction at all.

I wonder if he really thinks "If only I could talk to the ordinary people, they'd see it my way". No, you mad ◊◊◊◊. We don't.
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Who's "we"? @Guybrush Threepwood sees it Putin's way, at least a little bit.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
He's partly right, about the vicious Russia bit. People here think the Russians are a threat. The sort of place that invades its neighbours, commits war crimes, treats its own soldiers like an infinite supply of expendable garbage, sends assassins into our countries with horrible poisons, that sort of vicious thing.

Where he's wrong is that people here think most of their current difficulties are other stuff that's nothing to do with his disastrous invasion of Ukraine. He's completely off target thinking Europeans feel personally burdened by paying for contributions to the defence of Ukraine. Maybe in some places like Poland they are, but there it's probably entirely overshadowed by the sense of direct threat to Poland from vicious Russia. Likewise the Baltic states.

No, he's going to find that line has no traction at all.

I wonder if he really thinks "If only I could talk to the ordinary people, they'd see it my way". No, you mad ◊◊◊◊. We don't.
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Maybe I should clarify. I didn't watch the video, my response was to the text saying that our problems are caused by our own political elite, which I think is true.
 
Guybrush Threepwood said:
Maybe I should clarify. I didn't watch the video, my response was to the text saying that our problems are caused by our own political elite, which I think is true.
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Putin is telling you that you shouldn't be opposing Moscow in Ukraine. That you should be opposing your government's support for Ukraine.

That's a hell of a context in which to say Putin has a point. Maybe consider carrying less water for Moscow?
 
theprestige said:
Putin is telling you that you shouldn't be opposing Moscow in Ukraine. That you should be opposing your government's support for Ukraine.

That's a hell of a context in which to say Putin has a point. Maybe consider carrying less water for Moscow?
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I watched the video now, and it turns out there is no additional context. Putin is telling us that the problems of the west are not caused by Russia, but by our own political elite, which is true.
We should still support Ukraine far more than we do, and put Russia back in it's box. Why this means we can never acknowledge when he says something true is a mystery to me.
 
Guybrush Threepwood said:
I watched the video now, and it turns out there is no additional context. Putin is telling us that the problems of the west are not caused by Russia, but by our own political elite, which is true.
We should still support Ukraine far more than we do, and put Russia back in it's box. Why this means we can never acknowledge when he says something true is a mystery to me.
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Putin: "You are being persistently told that all your current difficulties are the result of hostile actions by vicious Russia". I won't say "no one", but I have heard no one in any position of power in any democracy make that statement.

You are just agreeing with a colossal strawman.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
He's partly right, about the vicious Russia bit. People here think the Russians are a threat. The sort of place that invades its neighbours, commits war crimes, treats its own soldiers like an infinite supply of expendable garbage, sends assassins into our countries with horrible poisons, that sort of vicious thing.

Where he's wrong is that people here think most of their current difficulties are other stuff that's nothing to do with his disastrous invasion of Ukraine. He's completely off target thinking Europeans feel personally burdened by paying for contributions to the defence of Ukraine. Maybe in some places like Poland they are, but there it's probably entirely overshadowed by the sense of direct threat to Poland from vicious Russia. Likewise the Baltic states.

No, he's going to find that line has no traction at all.

I wonder if he really thinks "If only I could talk to the ordinary people, they'd see it my way". No, you mad ◊◊◊◊. We don't.
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Personally, I'm inclined to say that in the text, Putin's doing a bunch of classic mixing of truth and lies. For example, most of the problems that we face are indeed largely attributable to more local rich and powerful bad actors. He's quite right about that. With that said, he naturally neglects to acknowledge how he and Russia have been both pushing them and aiding them to make those "mistakes, short-sightedness, and ambition" that harm their countries. Russia may not necessarily be the immediate wrongdoers in most countries, but they've been supporting the wrongdoers quite a lot.
 
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My latest thought is even if Putin did win the war and effectively gain control over Ukraine, he'll end up inheriting several million very angry Ukrainians, both within the country and out. It won't be as bad as trying to hold Afghanistan, but it won't be a cakewalk either.
 
Difficult Night for Russian Air Defense: Defense Forces Hit Two Oil Depots, Key Substation, and Two Radars in Crimea

Defense Forces struck two oil depots, including one in Simferopol, a substation in Dzhankoy — a key facility supplying electricity to temporarily occupied territories — as well as a Kasta-2E2 surveillance radar and a 96L6E radar of the S-400 air defense system in temporarily occupied Crimea.

 
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Andy_Ross said:
On November 20, russian general Sergey Kuzovlev reports to a russian führer, Putin, that Kupiansk is completely under russian control.

On December 9, Putin awards Kuzovlev for “capturing” Kupiansk.

On December 12, President Zelensky sends greetings to Ukrainian soldiers from Kupiansk.

Sometimes, it feels like russians live in an alternative reality

https://twitter.com/x/status/1999665658498298326
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I think someone might be being invited to admire an interesting view shortly.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Speaking of Putin ...

I want the ordinary citizens of Western countries to hear me. You are being persistently told that all your current difficulties are the result of hostile actions by vicious Russia, and that you must pay for the fight against a mythical Russian threat out of your own pockets. All of this is a lie. The truth is that the problems you are facing now are the result of years of actions by the ruling elites of your own countries—their mistakes, short-sightedness, and ambition. They do not think about how to improve your lives; they are obsessed with their own selfish interests and excessive profits - President Putin

https://twitter.com/x/status/1999889216205939008
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Has Nige Liked it yet?
 
Andy_Ross said:
Speaking of Putin ...

I want the ordinary citizens of Western countries to hear me. You are being persistently told that all your current difficulties are the result of hostile actions by vicious Russia, and that you must pay for the fight against a mythical Russian threat out of your own pockets. All of this is a lie. The truth is that the problems you are facing now are the result of years of actions by the ruling elites of your own countries—their mistakes, short-sightedness, and ambition. They do not think about how to improve your lives; they are obsessed with their own selfish interests and excessive profits - President Putin

https://twitter.com/x/status/1999889216205939008
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In a way, Putain is right, the western political elite's pandering of Yeltsin and himself have lead us to this.
 
Blue Mountain said:
My latest thought is even if Putin did win the war and effectively gain control over Ukraine, he'll end up inheriting several million very angry Ukrainians, both within the country and out. It won't be as bad as trying to hold Afghanistan, but it won't be a cakewalk either.
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Ukraine is a country of approximately 35,000,000 people. Ruzzia doesn'thave the military capability to occupy it.
 
Turkish fighter jets shoot down 'out of control' drone over Black Sea

F-16 fighter planes were scrambled after the drone was detected, the Turkish defence ministry said in a statement late on Monday.

"To avoid any potential harm, it was shot down in a safe area outside of populated area," it said. The statement gave no further details of the location or time of the incident.

www.euronews.com

Turkish fighter jets shoot down 'out of control' drone over Black Sea

The incident comes after Ukrainian strikes on Russia's "shadow fleet" and concerns from Turkish politicians that Moscow's all-out war could widen.
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