Split Thread Conspiracy theories around the Russian invasion of Ukraine

[theprestige]

Oh. That makes a debate pretty much impossible.

It's an easily surmountable problem. You just have to tell me what an SMO is.

 

[zooterkin]

I stand by my word(s).

The words you haven't actually shared with us?

Since you're the one claiming it's not an invasion, then:
A) what do you call it?
B) What criteria does an invasion need to meet to earn the name?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Do you know what a "special military operation" is?

An excuse for an invasion failing?

A fig leaf to get round Russian law?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Oh. That makes a debate pretty much impossible.

Why don't you define it for us then.

 

[ahhell]

Do you know what a "special military operation" is?

Ooh, Ooh! I know, a euphemism for an invasion!

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Reciprocally, yes.

No. Russia invaded. Ukraine defended itself. Russia is unmistakably the aggressor.

 

[Clutch Cargo]

No. Russia invaded. Ukraine defended itself. Russia is unmistakably the aggressor.

You've got it all back to front.

 

[SpitfireIX]

You've got it all back to front.

Then why don't you explain it to us.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

You've got it all back to front.

Oh. Perhaps I have. Let's check: Did a massive Ukrainian army of conquest sweep into Russia in 2022?

No. It was the other way around. Your appear to be wrong.

 

[theprestige]

Then why don't you explain it to us.

Because he hasn't shelled out to icerat for ISF Forums Premium Gold Plus Special Edition.

So he's allowed to disagree, but not debate. It's especially unfortunate, because subscriptions are closed, and he'll always be a second-class citizen in these threads.

And that is my conspiracy theory about the Russian invasion of Ukraine: It was all a hoax dreamed up by Barack Obama and George Soros, to make Clutch Cargo look foolish in ISF threads.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Seems legit.

 

[ahhell]

You know there is a not crazy narrative based in the facts leading up to Maiden that does make it seem as though the US more or less sponsored a coup. Clutch doesn't seem willing or able to provide that narrative. I personally don't buy it, but if you were so minded I can understand why some folks believe it. The US does have a history of that sort of thing but then so does Russia/USSR so...Anyrate, I've read it spelled out by other more compelling adherents. I'm glad i have, its useful to see the world from someone with such a different world view and understand that they aren't crazy or just liars but that it would just take a slightly different perspective, and I'd probably believe. I'd try but I don't believe it so I'd be a bad rep.

 

[steenkh]

If it's raining in the East and the wind is blowing in a westerly direction you can't blame the East for the rain falling in the West tomorrow.

I don’t understand: the Russians were fighting somebody in the east (I wonder who), and somehow this just developed into an invasion of a country to the west, but fighting is like the weather, and the Russians can’t be blamed for it??

Do you know what a "special military operation" is?

It is a term invented in order to make it look as if there is no war.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Well now you have your own thread in the correct section of the board.

Get on with it.

 

[Axxman300]

Do you know what a "special military operation" is?

Yes. It is a phrase to fool stupid people into thinking an unwarranted large scale invasion of a country is just some quick border dispute.

 

[theprestige]

Yes. It is a phrase to fool stupid people into thinking an unwarranted large scale invasion of a country is just some quick border dispute.

As military operations go, it has been very special.

 

[Clutch Cargo]

Putin is kicking ass while Zoolinsky went back to standing behind the piano in the nude.

 

[kookbreaker]

Putin is kicking ass while Zoolinsky went back to standing behind the piano in the nude.

Anyone else remember Childlike Empress trying to pull the same crap?

 

[Norman Alexander]

Putin is kicking ass while Zoolinsky went back to standing behind the piano in the nude.

Zelenskyy the comedian makes a far better leader of a country than Putin does when he is being serious, don't you think?

Also, what languages do you read and speak? I've asked you multiple times so do you have any answer?

 

[arthwollipot]

Do you think invasions are defined by the number of tanks that are owned, applied, set into motion, or where they are placed? You are asking me for my estimate regarding what? I think you are influenced by fear-mongering sources, not by wisdom.

How do you define "invasion"?