Cont: The Russian invasion of Ukraine part 6

[Jack by the hedge]

I see the head of Ukraine's military intelligence has given the BBC an interview and says the campaign is stalemate with neither side currently having the capacity to launch anything significant. So I assume that's misdirection and the Ukrainians have something up their sleeve.

 

[SpitfireIX]

I hope that's the case. And even if it's not, he said they need more weapons to go on the offensive, but we know that more weapons are on the way.

 

[theprestige]

It's also in Ukraine's interest to downplay their capabilities, since charitable aid is greatly dependent on public perception of need.

 

[lobosrul5]

Should we also wear eyepatches and go around saying "Arrrr?"

Pirates goal is to capture booty. Ours is to stop weapons from getting into the hands of terrorists. So, sure... I guess whatever.

 

[dudalb]

A chilling account of Russia's last war on Ukraine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/03/12/holodomor-famine-ukraine-stalin/

You just found out about this????

 

[dudalb]

Should we also wear eyepatches and go around saying "Arrrr?"

If that is what it freaking takes, yes.

 

[Bob001]

You just found out about this????

Of course not. But it's helpful to be reminded of how the Russians think.

 

[The Don]

Belarus getting in on the act on Russia's behalf claiming that a Ukrainian air defence missile has landed in their territory:

Belarus has summoned the Ukrainian ambassador, saying it had shot down a Ukrainian air defence missile in Belarusian territory.

It happened during one of Russia's heaviest aerial onslaughts against Ukraine so far.

Footage from Belarusian state television appeared to show missile debris in a field.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64122632

There has been speculation that Russia intends to launch another strike on Kyiv from Belarus in the near future and if that is the case, they want/need Belarus to commit forces to the attack. This could be the casus belli Lukashenko has been looking for to justify throwing Belarus' hat into the ring.

Then again, it could all amount to nothing.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Lukashenko isn't looking for an excuse to attack Ukraine. He's looking for excuses not to attack Ukraine.

 

[Mike!]

Lukashenko isn't looking for an excuse to attack Ukraine. He's looking for excuses not to attack Ukraine.

Putin to Lukashenko, "Awe, come on, do it! Do it already. See? I did it and it didn't hurt, now you do it. Come on, please? I'll be your friend!"

 

[gnome]

I think it's more a case of:

Russia: Get in there or I'm coming for you guys next!
Belarus: *sarcastic* Oooh, I'm scared. *points at Ukraine* Heyyyyyy you guys stop that okay?

 

[Drewbot]

If anyone is interested in the History of the Ostfront, and why these current players hate each other so much, i suggest listening to Ghosts of the Ostfront by Dan Carlin.

Here is a sample showcasing the Soviet chain of command, and it seems familiar to the current Russian system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNNCTAa0bQ4

 

[dudalb]

Lukashenko isn't looking for an excuse to attack Ukraine. He's looking for excuses not to attack Ukraine.

Because I am sure he has already been told by the EU and the USA if he attacks Ukraine, the same sanctions that have been slapped on Russia will be slapped on Belarus,and Belarus is in much worse shape to handle them. Of course luksahenko rule is being upheld by Russian bayonets, so he is in one hell of a bad situation.

 

[dudalb]

I think it's more a case of:

Russia: Get in there or I'm coming for you guys next!
Belarus: *sarcastic* Oooh, I'm scared. *points at Ukraine* Heyyyyyy you guys stop that okay?

More a case of the the only reason Lushensko is in power after losing an election is Russia sent in Troops to use against his own people. Putin owns his ass.

 

[dudalb]

Yeah, those Ukranian drones sound to me as beleivable as the dead poles who attacked the German radio statiion in 1939, or that blown up train track in Manchuria in 1931.

 

[jimbob]

More a case of the the only reason Lushensko is in power after losing an election is Russia sent in Troops to use against his own people. Putin owns his ass.

Yup

Belarus is a client of Russia at the moment.

Yeah, those Ukranian drones sound to me as beleivable as the dead poles who attacked the German radio statiion in 1939, or that blown up train track in Manchuria in 1931.

Also this.

Not that it's worth anything anyway. There is a lot of unrest in Belarus.

 

[dudalb]

Demented speech from Putin today more combative then ever.
I really think the guy is deranged, and we had better face that reality.

 

[lobosrul5]

So, by my math Russia lost about 18,400 men in December. That's 600 a day or the rough equivalent of a battalion. How many guys can Russia send to their needless death before their people rise up? Guess we'll see.

 

[Steve]

To Putin and his ilk that is just a statistic, not people. Russia has a population of about 145 million so they see nothing to worry about yet.

 

[jimbob]

To Putin and his ilk that is just a statistic, not people. Russia has a population of about 145 million so they see nothing to worry about yet.

Russia is suffering from a demographic problem.

And dictators are often seemingly firmly in power until they're deposed.