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Cont: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine part 8

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*sigh* Looks like the Republicans may have gotten Ukraine funding taken out in the short-term continued funding of the US government that apparently just passed.

I think more than a few of us saw that coming a long time ago, of course.

Other than that,

Steve said:
FTR I did not suggest this in my post, because I do not believe it. Russians had considerable influence over voting patterns in the USA, particularly among conservatives, without directly paying anyone
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dudalb was the one who brought it up, either way. Personally, I consider it very plausible that there's a financial aspect to Russia support for at least some Republican politicans and that it's not much of a secret among Republican politicians, but that the financial aspect is generally unnecessary to explain what's observed.
 
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Aridas said:
*sigh* Looks like the Republicans may have gotten Ukraine funding taken out in the short-term continued funding of the US government that apparently just passed.

I think more than a few of us saw that coming a long time ago, of course.

Other than that,



dudalb was the one who brought it up, either way. Personally, I consider it very plausible that there's a financial aspect to Russia support for at least some Republican politicans and that it's not much of a secret among Republican politicians, but that the financial aspect is generally unnecessary to explain what's observed.
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I'd just as soon Ukraine is voted a separate issue anyway. It will prevent congresspeople from being shady about why they did or didn't vote for it. Make them go on record instead of blending it in with every other fight going on and holding one hostage to the other.

As well, it allows us to prevent a shutdown while that is being fought. It's actually fairly practical to pass what you can (sort of) agree on first, and then get to the divisive issues.
 
Whilst I accept that this thread can be wide-ranging, as a general rule please try to concentrate on the ongoing conflict in Ukraine rather than the politics of the USA; we have a whole section of the forum for that.
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Andy_Ross said:
Bollocks. All we've had for a couple of days is US politics.

Any posts on the actual war are getting lost in them
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Things are a bit steady on the war front, though, so there wasn't much in the first place? Ukraine continues to wage what is fundamentally a war of attrition that's causing significant losses to Russian forces, rather than focusing specifically on taking ground, and as nice as it is to note things like the remarkable pace of lost Russian artillery and other important equipment, there's limited cause to poke at such repeatedly. Of some note, I suppose, is that Russia's apparently fielding artillery models that were used against the Nazis and apparently have an effective range of like 2 km... or, in other words, really, really old artillery, which means that they've pretty well run out of actually decent artillery to replace what they're losing. The value of that development is likely immense, given how much Russia has depended on their artillery and how relative inflexible they are.

On the Ukraine funding front, looks like a Democrat managed to make it much more likely that Ukraine funding will be addressed separately later. That's led to a joint announcement from Schumer and McConnell to that effect.
 
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TurkeysGhost said:
Sure, but presumably so long as Ukraine remain an active war zone with disputed borders it will not be considered for NATO membership. Keeping the anti-Russia alliance off their doorstep is a significant factor.
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"Anti-Russian alliance".

That's cute.

NATO protects their members from all enemies, and if Russia respected NATO members and didn't see them as former colonies that should be returned to the motherland, NATO would not have to focus much of its energy on Russia.
 
Aridas said:
Things are a bit steady on the war front, though, so there wasn't much in the first place? Ukraine continues to wage what is fundamentally a war of attrition that's causing significant losses to Russian forces, rather than focusing specifically on taking ground, and as nice as it is to note things like the remarkable pace of lost Russian artillery and other important equipment, there's limited cause to poke at such repeatedly. Of some note, I suppose, is that Russia's apparently fielding artillery models that were used against the Nazis and apparently have an effective range of like 2 km... or, in other words, really, really old artillery, which means that they've pretty well run out of actually decent artillery to replace what they're losing. The value of that development is likely immense, given how much Russia has depended on their artillery and how relative inflexible they are.

On the Ukraine funding front, looks like a Democrat managed to make it much more likely that Ukraine funding will be addressed separately later. That's led to a joint announcement from Schumer and McConnell to that effect.
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Sorry, but my faith in the Democrats having any spine over Ukraine is at an end.
 
dudalb said:
Sorry, but my faith in the Democrats having any spine over Ukraine is at an end.
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Yeah, sure, it's the Democrats' fault that the House GOP splintered, the Republican leader of the house was too weak and as a result there was the usual threat of the party on the right causing another shutdown. :rolleyes:

I suppose that the Democrats could have forced the issue, refused to support the bill and then could have been criticised by those on the right for causing the shutdown through their intransigence.
 
dudalb said:
Sorry, but my faith in the Democrats having any spine over Ukraine is at an end.
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Actions speak louder than words.

Elsewhere,

Romania’s Defense Ministry reveals that Russia is waging electronic warfare against Romania.

Daniel Petrescu, the Army Chief of Staff of Romania, says Russia is “actively & constantly” jamming GPS communications of ships in Romanian waters, increasing the risk of collisions.
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Russian Investigative Committee has detected the theft of 80% of funds allocated for the repair of warships.
The Investigative Committee of Russia has opened a criminal case on large-scale fraud against the Novik industrial group engaged in the repair of Russian warships, Russian media report.
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That's quite the bit of corruption.
 
Pixel42 said:
The populist Smer-SSD party has got the most votes in the Slovakian election. It's leader has vowed to "not send a single round of ammunition to Ukraine".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66972984
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First he said that before the election, so it's not relevant after the election. Second the previous government sent a lot, including 13 Mig-29 jets. What's left wouldn't matter much anyway.
I worry more about support for refugees .. that's way more visible ans therefore more likely to actually happen. But Poland is going to affect that a lot more, number wise.
It is alarming, but it won't affect the war.
 
Hercules56 said:
Eastern Slovakia used to be part of Mother Russia.

They best take care and watch out for Russian tanks, looking to take back their ancestral birthright.
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He knows he's Safe from Russia as Slovakia are part of NATO
 
Three cargo vessels have left Ukrainian Black Sea ports today, according to the MarineTraffic tracking app .

The bulk carriers Azara, Ying Hao 01 and Eneida were due to load 127,000 metric tonnes of agricultural products and iron ore for China, Egypt and Spain.

Four new bulkers have also entered Ukrainian waters and are heading to Black Sea ports.

Seems the threat of Russian attack isn't deterring shipping.
 
I for one find it hilarious that China is receiving goods from Ukraine through the Black Sea corridor. That's probably the biggest guarantor of Moscow's good behavior there.
 
Pixel42 said:
The populist Smer-SSD party has got the most votes in the Slovakian election. It's leader has vowed to "not send a single round of ammunition to Ukraine".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66972984
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Fico got 23ish percent of the vote and he has to form a coalition government. All the potential coalition partners hate the guy. If past is prologue, Fico won't be in office long.
 
SpitfireIX said:
He'll likely be gone in less than a year anyway, considering the revolving-door nature of Slovak politics.
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I wonder if the Czechs are not happy to be rid of the Slovaks.
The Czech republic is fairly stable, whereas Slovakis has been a constant mess.
 
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