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Cont: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine part 9

P.J. Denyer said:
Targeting a hostile county's leader may be considered a war crime, if the leader doesn't hold military rank and isn't actually commanding operations they may be considered a civilian under International Law. If anyone else thinks that there's something wrong with someone like Putin sending hundreds of thousands to die on the front line of a war of agression while potentially being protected,, join the club.
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That's not the case in this war, though. Putin is clearly the commander in chief of the Russian armed forces, and wields the ultimate authority in prosecuting the war. He's not a figurehead. The executive power isn't wielded by someone else.
 
theprestige said:
That's not the case in this war, though. Putin is clearly the commander in chief of the Russian armed forces, and wields the ultimate authority in prosecuting the war. He's not a figurehead. The executive power isn't wielded by someone else.
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It's not about executive power, it's about direct military command, the difference between being a civilian politician or a direct military commander. I'm not saying I agree, just pointing out that international law may protect leaders who are sending their people to die.
 
Dmitry Medvedev
@MedvedevRussiaE
The stinking Kiev bastard is trying to derail the settlement of the conflict. He wants war. Well, now at least he’ll have to stay in hiding for the rest of his worthless life
 
When things seem to be moving towards some kind of peace agreement and each side might want to avoid needlessly antagonising the other side, Russia sees an opportunity to lie harder and issue even more threats since people trying to placate them on the other side are less likely to contradict them and openly dismiss their lies.

They are such clichéd villains.
 
theprestige said:
And that rhetoric matters to you?
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It is not just rhetoric. It has real life effects. Trump has used it as an excuse to stop delivering Tomahawk missiles.
For Trump, the attack on a fellow dictator and role model makes him realise that he could be a target himself in a war, so he punishes Ukraine by removing one of Ukraine's "cards".
 
I realise it's a slim chance but it would be great if this purported attack on a Putin residence actually happened and was a (sadly unsuccessful) false flag palace coup attempt.
 
NYT reports Trump viewed Russia as “invincible” and avoided serious sanctions early in the Ukraine war. His envoy Keith Kellogg, who called the conflict existential and backed Ukraine, praised Zelensky, then was reportedly called an “idiot” and replaced by Trump’s friend Steve Witkoff.


https://twitter.com/x/status/2006320039167685006
 
Helen said:
I can't see Ukraine wasting time and effort on trying to attack Putin's residence.
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It's a good line for Putin to feed Trump though, 'Imagine if someone attacked Mar-a-Lago' is the kind of simple concept he can understand, and the anger that thinking of his personal plywood palace generates is about as close to empathy as the Orange Goit can manage. Once again Putin is playing him like a Stylophone.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
Contradict the PRESIDENT? If Ukraine was to try to attack a Putin residence I'm sure they would do a much better job.
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The attack is a complete fabrication. Open source intel guys track drone attacks every day in real-time, in both directions, trawling Telegram accounts for reports - mostly from civilians - of drone sightings. We get maps every night showing where they are heading (in both directions). The night of this attack there were exactly ZERO reports from anyone towards Novgorod.

On top of that the Russian MoD made there usual report on the nights attacks on mentioned nothing about it, only "adjusting" the report later after Lavrov made the claim of the attack.

That aside, Putin is clearly directing military operations and the ultimate Commander in Chief of the Russian Armed Forces. As such, he's a legitimate target under the laws of war. Also a war criminal.
 
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I understand* that as part of the secret talks between Trump and Putin, an agreement was reached that Putin wouldn't object to Trump taking over Venezuela as long as Trump didn't object to Putin bombing Ukraine.

* "I understand" IE I made it up.
 
psionl0 said:
I understand* that as part of the secret talks between Trump and Putin, an agreement was reached that Putin wouldn't object to Trump taking over Venezuela as long as Trump didn't object to Putin bombing Ukraine.

* "I understand" IE I made it up.
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Russia has objected though.

That doesn't mean Putin didn't promise Trump he wouldn't, of course. He knows Trump will forgive him. Trump likes it rough. He'll just tell himself "that's how tough guys behave" and be deeper in love with Putin than ever.
 
It's revealed the utter failure of Western media to adequately inform. The foreign affairs editor of the Financial Times, an Oxford Professor of History, and the list goes on - "now Russia will think they can target Zelenskyy!"

The full scale invasion literally started with a helicopter assault on the capital trying to take out Zelenskyy. They've tried (and failed) numerous times since, as recently as an apparent drone swarm ready to take out his plane near Ireland.

How can supposedly smart, educated people be so utterly ignorant?
 
Reporter: You said that you were really very angry with the Ukrainian President Zelenskyy if he was the one who conducted that strike on Putin's residence.

Trump: I don't believe that strike happened.

Reporter: Why did you believe Putin in that moment and then go say that about Ukraine?

Trump: Because nobody knew at that moment.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008009069190349034
 
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