NatalieSalat
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As with the Reich and so on, aside from the babies and children, pure innocence and ignorance would be rare.
General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4
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arthwollipot
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Pure innocence and ignorance is not required. All that is required is that they not be acting under the orders of a commander, wearing an identifiable uniform, and carrying a gun. Those are some other defining characteristics of "combatant" I found when delving into international law.
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Amal Eid al-Najjar is classified as 'collateral death' to a targeted operation that eliminated terrorists, as a designed IAF mission. She was not the target. Nobody here is gaining any sexual gratification from her tragic demise, despite the claim by planigale of that. (pretty nasty claim, indeed).
HAMAS will avoid mentioning their losses, and only reference the deaths of civilians nearby to their imbedded forces.
The only people who are actually going to physically disarm and confront HAMAS, to take their weapons away from them, is Israel, because they’re not going to give them up voluntarily.
www.ynetnews.com
HAMAS will avoid mentioning their losses, and only reference the deaths of civilians nearby to their imbedded forces.
The only people who are actually going to physically disarm and confront HAMAS, to take their weapons away from them, is Israel, because they’re not going to give them up voluntarily.
Col. says Hamas behind all ceasefire violations in Gaza
Former Col. Richard Kemp: 'We’ve come to a point where Hamas has got to be finally dealt with'
www.ynetnews.com
Two stories, I want to juxtapose them here ---
#One: IDF recruits at the induction center, interviewed along with their parents and loved ones.
"We will protect our nation from enemies..."
#Two: HAMAS leader declares they will not rest until Israel is no more.
Hamas leader Mashaal vows Israel’s destruction, rejects Trump peace plan
Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal renews calls for Israel’s destruction, rejecting Trump’s peace plan and UN demands to disarm.www.israelnationalnews.com
The World's Western culture is in a moment of profound confusion, where moral relativism, ideological extremism, and the fear of being labeled “controversial” have many people retreating from their own principles. Israel, in this moment, exposes that crisis with painful clarity. If you cannot say which side stands for individual liberty and which side glorifies death and destruction, the issue isn’t Israel. The issue is you.
In previous posts, thePrestige made comments regarding the shifting of moral burden to Israel, while excusing HAMAS et al.
This opinion piece was published yesterday, and covers that exact point quite nicely:
The ’I don’t support Israel’ conversation needs to stop
The real problem isn’t Israel or Zionism. It’s whether Western civilization still matters. Opinion.
NatalieSalat
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Yes, hence Mengele, the Aktion T4 physicians, the scientists of Unit 731 -- all essential -- protected because they were legally civilians
NatalieSalat
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arthwollipot
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For a start, they were all before the conventions I've been talking about, so at the time they did not have protection as civilians. Secondly, we're talking about direct targeting by military forces in war. Criminals can be prosecuted as criminals, in an ideal world at least, regardless of whether they were combatants or not.
Except they weren't.
You have justified the actions of Israel by saying they are no worse than the actions of Nazis.
I just say there should be the same justice for the victims no matter who the perpetrators* are.
ETA *Israelis or Nazis or Hamas.
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webfusion
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Journalists? Or affiliates in the service of HAMAS et al?
www.ynetnews.com
Study reveals majority of Gaza war 'journalists' tied to terror groups
New study reveals at least 157 of 266 Palestinians labeled as journalists and killed in Gaza were operatives or affiliates of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, highlighting how terror groups embed media workers in propaganda and military activity
www.ynetnews.com
The evidence for terrorism is a bit thin e.g.Journalists? Or affiliates in the service of HAMAS et al?
Study reveals majority of Gaza war 'journalists' tied to terror groups
New study reveals at least 157 of 266 Palestinians labeled as journalists and killed in Gaza were operatives or affiliates of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, highlighting how terror groups embed media workers in propaganda and military activity
Even with such flimsy connections to define people as terrorists they still could only identify half of journalists killed as terrorists.
Connections with the Palesitine Authority, nominally the legitimate governing body of Palestine was sufficient to define you as a 'terrorist'.
The people producing this report are an Israeli government funded propaganda organisation.
It is worth contemplating that the only evidence needed to justify the execution of a Palestinian as a terrorists is;
arthwollipot
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Their definition of "terrorist" is as loose as their definition of "combatant".
To post this you must think the IDF targetted journalists; and to justify targetting them you need to blacken them by making them terrorist affiliates. What it actualy does is show what tenuous association is needed for targetted killing of Palestinians.Journalists? Or affiliates in the service of HAMAS et al?
Study reveals majority of Gaza war 'journalists' tied to terror groups
New study reveals at least 157 of 266 Palestinians labeled as journalists and killed in Gaza were operatives or affiliates of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, highlighting how terror groups embed media workers in propaganda and military activity
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"tenuous association" --- Israel has literally killed tens of thousands of Islamic Jihadists. It's all good.
www.israelnationalnews.com
and
www.israelnationalnews.com
Meanwhile, the State of Israel is expanding the presence of Jews throughout the HolyLand.
Esh Kodesh, Allenby, Givat Harel, Ganim, Har Bezek, Ya’ar El-Keren, Yatziv, Yitav West, Kadim, Kochav HaShachar North, Kida, Mishol, Nahal Doron, Pnei Kedem, Reihanit, Rosh HaAyin East, Shalem, Tamun.
All given formal governmental approvals for their communities to continue existing across Judea and Samaria.
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Utbe is presenting many videos of the Gaza inundation.
Looks kinda wet.
Yet, nothing is being done to evacuate these folks. "Leave 'em to suffer in Gaza" seems to be the attitude of the rest of the world. Disgraceful.
2nd time this week: IDF strikes Hezbollah training facility in Lebanon
IDF struck a compound used by Hezbollah's Radwan Force to conduct shooting exercises and additional training on the use of various types of weapons.
www.israelnationalnews.com
and
IDF launches preemptive sweep of Hamas operatives ahead of Foundation Day
IDF arrests and interrogates dozens of suspected Hamas operatives in Judea and Samaria as part of a preemptive campaign ahead of Hamas’ Foundation Day to 'stay a step ahead of a constantly adapting enemy.'
www.israelnationalnews.com
Meanwhile, the State of Israel is expanding the presence of Jews throughout the HolyLand.
Esh Kodesh, Allenby, Givat Harel, Ganim, Har Bezek, Ya’ar El-Keren, Yatziv, Yitav West, Kadim, Kochav HaShachar North, Kida, Mishol, Nahal Doron, Pnei Kedem, Reihanit, Rosh HaAyin East, Shalem, Tamun.
All given formal governmental approvals for their communities to continue existing across Judea and Samaria.
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Utbe is presenting many videos of the Gaza inundation.
Looks kinda wet.
Yet, nothing is being done to evacuate these folks. "Leave 'em to suffer in Gaza" seems to be the attitude of the rest of the world. Disgraceful.
Some how you are missing the point that just because Israel claims they are terrorists doesn't mean they did any more than be employed to clean the streets on Gaza (employed by the Hamas government), were a health worker in a Hezbullah clinic etc. Most of those injured by the booby trapped pagers weren't Hezbullah members, most of those who were were people like first responders, e.g. fire and health workers."tenuous association" --- Israel has literally killed tens of thousands of Islamic Jihadists. It's all good.
2nd time this week: IDF strikes Hezbollah training facility in Lebanon
IDF struck a compound used by Hezbollah's Radwan Force to conduct shooting exercises and additional training on the use of various types of weapons.
and
IDF launches preemptive sweep of Hamas operatives ahead of Foundation Day
IDF arrests and interrogates dozens of suspected Hamas operatives in Judea and Samaria as part of a preemptive campaign ahead of Hamas’ Foundation Day to 'stay a step ahead of a constantly adapting enemy.'
Meanwhile, the State of Israel is expanding the presence of Jews throughout the HolyLand.
Esh Kodesh, Allenby, Givat Harel, Ganim, Har Bezek, Ya’ar El-Keren, Yatziv, Yitav West, Kadim, Kochav HaShachar North, Kida, Mishol, Nahal Doron, Pnei Kedem, Reihanit, Rosh HaAyin East, Shalem, Tamun.
All given formal governmental approvals for their communities to continue existing across Judea and Samaria.
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Utbe is presenting many videos of the Gaza inundation.
Looks kinda wet.
Yet, nothing is being done to evacuate these folks. "Leave 'em to suffer in Gaza" seems to be the attitude of the rest of the world. Disgraceful.
This also is a good illustration of what a cease fire with Israel means, not a cease fire just a slowing in the rate of killings; not a withdrawal from occupied territory, just a partial withdrawal. Then as we see in the West Bank with re-occupation after a bit. Driving out the last few Christian Palestinians; literally a genocide of the Christian population of Palestine is being delivered by Israel.
How many Palestinian refugees has Israel accepted? Perhaps Israel should set a humanitarian example and take in refugees.
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What a crock.
Israel is not 'driving out' Christians and again, the use of the word 'genocide' is misapplied.
Palestinian refugees number in the millions, and UNRWA was formed to relocate/support them.
How's that been coming along? Not well, to say the least.
Israel is barely acting militarily, compared to prior to this ceasefire.
As it happens, the BYRON natural event is causing more deaths and destruction than the IDF this week.
(The partial withdrawal was arranged as agreed. The Yellow Boundry is mutually defined & Rafah is under IDF control).
This statement doesn't hold up to even the minimal scrutiny of facts:
"Most of those injured by the booby trapped pagers weren't Hezbullah members..."
According to media reports (Lieber Institute West Point, for example) -- "most of the casualties appear to have been Hezbollah operatives, but a few civilian casualties were also reported..."
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"Leave 'em to suffer in Gaza" seems to be the attitude of the rest of the world. Disgraceful.
Israel is not 'driving out' Christians and again, the use of the word 'genocide' is misapplied.
Palestinian refugees number in the millions, and UNRWA was formed to relocate/support them.
How's that been coming along? Not well, to say the least.
Israel is barely acting militarily, compared to prior to this ceasefire.
As it happens, the BYRON natural event is causing more deaths and destruction than the IDF this week.
(The partial withdrawal was arranged as agreed. The Yellow Boundry is mutually defined & Rafah is under IDF control).
This statement doesn't hold up to even the minimal scrutiny of facts:
"Most of those injured by the booby trapped pagers weren't Hezbullah members..."
According to media reports (Lieber Institute West Point, for example) -- "most of the casualties appear to have been Hezbollah operatives, but a few civilian casualties were also reported..."
++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Leave 'em to suffer in Gaza" seems to be the attitude of the rest of the world. Disgraceful.
Israel is the closest state to Gaza, it is causing the suffering by withholding aid. It held up tents supplied by the UK government for a year.
We have just had an example of how flimsy the definition or terror associates is, another case from Lebanon;
Now doubt he would be classified as a Hezbollah operative. Hezbollah was effectively a local government it ran social health and education services, being a Hezbollah operative doesn't mean that they weren't civilians.
A year on, Lebanese maimed in Israel's pager attacks on long road to recovery
Zainab Mustarah once spent her days running an events planning firm in Beirut. But for the last year, she has been in and out of surgery to save the remnants of her right hand and both eyes.
www.reuters.com
your source is a US government funded propaganda operation they have just assumed that most of those injured were military operatives, they provide no facts.
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Egypt is the closest state to Gaza.
Gazans are being stopped from going out through Egypt.
Egypt is not an enemy of Palestinians, yet they refuse to alleviate their distress.
(about half of the population of Gaza would gladly leave through the Sinai if given transit).
◊◊◊◊ Hezbollah.
◊◊◊◊ HAMAS.
www.jpost.com
Gazans are being stopped from going out through Egypt.
Egypt is not an enemy of Palestinians, yet they refuse to alleviate their distress.
(about half of the population of Gaza would gladly leave through the Sinai if given transit).
◊◊◊◊ Hezbollah.
◊◊◊◊ HAMAS.
Israeli military attacks key Hamas terrorist in Gaza City | The Jerusalem Post
The target was reported to be Ra'ad Sa'ad, a senior commander in the Al-Qassam Brigades, and one of Hamas's top officials.
www.jpost.com
Not since Israel occupied the border between Egypt and Gaza. Israel completely encircles Gaza. There is no border between Gaxa and Egypt except though an area of Israeli control.Egypt is the closest state to Gaza.sGazans are being stopped from going out through Egypt.
Egypt is not an enemy of Palestinians, yet they refuse to alleviate their distress.
(about half of the population of Gaza would gladly leave through the Sinai if given transit).
◊◊◊◊ Hezbollah.
◊◊◊◊ HAMAS.
Israeli military attacks key Hamas terrorist in Gaza City | The Jerusalem Post
The target was reported to be Ra'ad Sa'ad, a senior commander in the Al-Qassam Brigades, and one of Hamas's top officials.
It is interesting that those seeking to defend Israel have too lie.
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planigale, the Egyptians are refusing to allow the exit of Palestinians.
www.abc.net.au
Rafah crossing will open to let Gazans cross into Egypt
Israeli authorities have announced the Rafah border crossing from Gaza into Egypt will open "in coming days," but only for Palestinians wanting to leave the war-ravaged strip.
www.abc.net.au
Egypt is saying that it has to be an open border. Israel is refusing to open it, they will only allow exit from Gaza but not entry into Gaza for aid. Why do you find it necessary to lie to defend Israel? Any usual sense of an open border is that it is not one way.planigale, the Egyptians are refusing to allow the exit of Palestinians.
Rafah crossing will open to let Gazans cross into Egypt
Israeli authorities have announced the Rafah border crossing from Gaza into Egypt will open "in coming days," but only for Palestinians wanting to leave the war-ravaged strip.
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arthwollipot
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Let me get this straight.
You're claiming that it's Egypt that's stopping people from Gaza from entering. And as evidence you post an article that says that Israel is going to open the border. Is that right?
You're claiming that it's Egypt that's stopping people from Gaza from entering. And as evidence you post an article that says that Israel is going to open the border. Is that right?
arthwollipot
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Meanwhile, more Hamas terrorists killed. Legitimate targets, all.
NatalieSalat
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Only the perps are responsible for suffering cry the hard and far left... unless its groups they like and additionally, falsely term "resistance" such as Hamas, the PLO, the LTTE, Viet Cong/the DRV et al -- despite those groups' authoritarian and oppressive tactics and rule over territory
No, it is not freezing in Gaza. "Gaza is freezing" has succeeded "Gaza is starving" as the fake news favorite of the week. It hasn't been colder than 12 degrees in Gaza for the past fortnight, while we are being told that babies are freezing to death.
Allowing the likely infiltration of militants and terrorists across recognised borders, whether EGY or ISR is why those borders are restricted. The "open-air prison" myth always and deliberately elided that.
No, it is not freezing in Gaza. "Gaza is freezing" has succeeded "Gaza is starving" as the fake news favorite of the week. It hasn't been colder than 12 degrees in Gaza for the past fortnight, while we are being told that babies are freezing to death.
Allowing the likely infiltration of militants and terrorists across recognised borders, whether EGY or ISR is why those borders are restricted. The "open-air prison" myth always and deliberately elided that.
arthwollipot
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The perps in this case are the Israelis who are entirely responsible for the suffering and death of Palestinian civilians and noncombatants.
No, it is not "freezing" in Gaza. But it is very, very wet. Do you know what the effects of living covered in mud for weeks at a time are?
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Arth, the only ones responsible for the Palestinian peoples' suffering are their leaders - from the Mufti to Abbas and also Hamas.
In 1947, 70% of Mandatory Palestine was already Jordan. The leaders demanded all of the remaining 30% -- a ◊◊◊◊◊◊ move.
In 1947, 70% of Mandatory Palestine was already Jordan. The leaders demanded all of the remaining 30% -- a ◊◊◊◊◊◊ move.
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It's not a 'border' --- Rafah is a very limited crossing point (for people, not cargo facility), and isn't really designed for aid transfers. Israel is trying to get Egypt to permit evacuating people from the war-torn territory. The Egyptians don't want to give the Gazans an exit route. Keep 'em where they are, is the Egyptian position.
There will be a day when Gaza regains the grandeur and glory of the past. When the Gazans can once again live in Free Palestine, Free of HAMAS rule. For now, pfffft.....
arthwollipot, you claimed that IDF killed 'more HAMAS' (a remark offered sarcastically) and then proceeded to offer information about deaths resulting from a winter storm. Why did you do that?
I just am trying to wrap my head around the way that 'inhumane conditions' are not being alleviated by allowing the people to leave for places where they won't be subjected to such deprivations. It's almost as if Gazans are pawns.
Israel is not 'entirely responsible' for anything related to Gaza.
That'll buff right out. (Remains of HAMAS leader's automobile, slightly damaged by IAF)
There will be a day when Gaza regains the grandeur and glory of the past. When the Gazans can once again live in Free Palestine, Free of HAMAS rule. For now, pfffft.....
arthwollipot, you claimed that IDF killed 'more HAMAS' (a remark offered sarcastically) and then proceeded to offer information about deaths resulting from a winter storm. Why did you do that?
I just am trying to wrap my head around the way that 'inhumane conditions' are not being alleviated by allowing the people to leave for places where they won't be subjected to such deprivations. It's almost as if Gazans are pawns.
Israel is not 'entirely responsible' for anything related to Gaza.
That'll buff right out. (Remains of HAMAS leader's automobile, slightly damaged by IAF)
arthwollipot
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Israel caused the inhumane conditions. It's harder to weather out a storm if you have no inside to go to and you're living in a tent with a mud floor.
I am trying to wrap my head around how Israel can destroy peoples' homes, farms, infrastructure, livelihoods, health care, schools, and force them to live in tents, then blame them for not moving elsewhere.
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You didn't answer my question. You posted about "more Hamas terrorists killed. Legitimate targets, all." (said with obvious sarcasm) and then proceeded to mention deaths caused by weather.
I am blaming Egypt for not giving Gazans access to AlArish.
That has to change. The USA and Israel need to apply some leverage.
Egypt wants the natural gas that Israel is extracting from the Chevron fields.
That deal is worth billions of $$.
What is the quid-pro-quo that Egypt is willing to provide for a deal being implemented?
The Americans are trying to arrange a meeting with Sisi & Bibi, and Gaza's future needs to be considered in that context.
Inhumane conditions in Gaza? That's been the case for decades.
Let Those People Go!
I am blaming Egypt for not giving Gazans access to AlArish.
That has to change. The USA and Israel need to apply some leverage.
Egypt wants the natural gas that Israel is extracting from the Chevron fields.
That deal is worth billions of $$.
What is the quid-pro-quo that Egypt is willing to provide for a deal being implemented?
The Americans are trying to arrange a meeting with Sisi & Bibi, and Gaza's future needs to be considered in that context.
Inhumane conditions in Gaza? That's been the case for decades.
Let Those People Go!
arthwollipot
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Israel caused the inhumane conditions, without which these innocent civilians and noncombatants would not have died. Their deaths are more blood on Israel's hands, and there's already a lot of that.
arthwollipot
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And before anyone else says anything, I absolutely condemn what appears to be a targeted attack on Chanukah festivities taking place on Bondi Beach in Sydney this evening.
Live updates:
www.abc.net.au
Two people in custody, early reports say multiple fatalities. It appears to have been a deliberate and targeted attack on Chanukah festivities.
www.theguardian.com
Live: Police responding to reports of active shooter at Bondi Beach
The public is being urged to avoid the area and two people are in custody. Follow live.
www.abc.net.au
Two people in custody, early reports say multiple fatalities. It appears to have been a deliberate and targeted attack on Chanukah festivities.
Bondi beach mass shooting: NSW police advise people to ‘take shelter’ with two in custody
NSW police say two people arrested but the ‘operation is ongoing and we continue to urge people to avoid the area’
www.theguardian.com
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Nobody wants to hear about 'condemnations' in Australia or anywhere else, at this point. Absolute or otherwise.
"Israel caused the inhumane conditions, without which these innocent civilians and noncombatants would not have died." ---- That is not a proposition which would stand up to scrutiny.
Gaza in winter is always a mess. I've been there in wintertime, it's a real challenge to keep warm and dry, and Gazans are always dying from the cold and horrid conditions. This is typical of Gaza, not something that can be solely attributed to the events of this war.
Despite the typical annual rate of 5,000 natural deaths in Gaza, the HAMAS-generated fatality data provided no accounting for such 'normal' figures.
Anyway, you claimed that the IDF killed them directly. (You said exactly that, in a backhanded sort of way)
Gaza is a base of violent jihadists whose goal is to ‘liberate Palestine.’
That paradigm is undergoing a sea-change.
Get used to it.
"Israel caused the inhumane conditions, without which these innocent civilians and noncombatants would not have died." ---- That is not a proposition which would stand up to scrutiny.
Gaza in winter is always a mess. I've been there in wintertime, it's a real challenge to keep warm and dry, and Gazans are always dying from the cold and horrid conditions. This is typical of Gaza, not something that can be solely attributed to the events of this war.
Despite the typical annual rate of 5,000 natural deaths in Gaza, the HAMAS-generated fatality data provided no accounting for such 'normal' figures.
Anyway, you claimed that the IDF killed them directly. (You said exactly that, in a backhanded sort of way)
Gaza is a base of violent jihadists whose goal is to ‘liberate Palestine.’
That paradigm is undergoing a sea-change.
Get used to it.
arthwollipot
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One, citation needed. Two, 23,000 people killed in Gaza in 2024.
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One, look it up yourself, it's available information pretty much everywhere. I'm not here to spoon-feed you about the natural death rate in Gaza annually. The point remains the same -- many people die in Gaza every winter regardless of anything the IDF does or does not do. It's Gaza, for crying out loud, a horrible horrible place on earth.
Two, of those 23,000, how about if we suppose HAMAS & Co. "Health Ministry" figures are useless for anything-- since they don't disclose their own losses, I'm gonna avoid using their numbers. You should also.
Three, in the face of people who want us dead --
Happy Hanukkah.
Two, of those 23,000, how about if we suppose HAMAS & Co. "Health Ministry" figures are useless for anything-- since they don't disclose their own losses, I'm gonna avoid using their numbers. You should also.
Three, in the face of people who want us dead --
Happy Hanukkah.
arthwollipot
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No acknowledgement of the fact that the death rate in 2024 was 360% above the background rate? What do you think might account for that? I wonder.
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arthwollipot, the raw numerical values are not of any importance to me. War tends to produce fatalities.
You produced a post (#3905) that was a lie. In that repost of Beckett, you intimated that the 14 listed fatalities were the result of IDF action against them, and 3 innocent uninvolved civilian kids & a baby were just "more Hamas terrorists killed. Legitimate targets, all" --- when in fact, weather conditions led to their demise.
Which I am claiming is weather (hot as hell or rainy& cold& muddy) is actually a routine cause of deaths in Gaza, and has been that way from time immemorial.
Are the crappy conditions of people in Gaza exacerbated by the results of their leaders opening a war? Sure, nobody can argue otherwise. Did the IDF produce incredible devastation in Gaza? You bet.
However, even in quiet times, Gaza sucks to live in.
Now, this is the time for HAMAS to step aside.
If they refuse, there will be further consequences.
Maybe even ethnic cleansing... for their own overall benefit to get them out of the 'unlivable' situation.
It's not beyond the realm of possiblities.
After their homes had been destroyed in the war, Hamas is forcing displaced Gazans in al-Qarara to pay rent to live in tents on the beach
You produced a post (#3905) that was a lie. In that repost of Beckett, you intimated that the 14 listed fatalities were the result of IDF action against them, and 3 innocent uninvolved civilian kids & a baby were just "more Hamas terrorists killed. Legitimate targets, all" --- when in fact, weather conditions led to their demise.
Which I am claiming is weather (hot as hell or rainy& cold& muddy) is actually a routine cause of deaths in Gaza, and has been that way from time immemorial.
Are the crappy conditions of people in Gaza exacerbated by the results of their leaders opening a war? Sure, nobody can argue otherwise. Did the IDF produce incredible devastation in Gaza? You bet.
However, even in quiet times, Gaza sucks to live in.
Now, this is the time for HAMAS to step aside.
If they refuse, there will be further consequences.
Maybe even ethnic cleansing... for their own overall benefit to get them out of the 'unlivable' situation.
It's not beyond the realm of possiblities.
After their homes had been destroyed in the war, Hamas is forcing displaced Gazans in al-Qarara to pay rent to live in tents on the beach
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Your inhumanity astounds.
Do you know the normal temperature of a baby?
A baby can easily die in a temperture of 12C.
The effect of hypothermia will be compounded by starvation. Why did Israel prevent aid organisations bringing baby formula into Gaza?
‘They’re skin and bones’: doctors in Gaza warn babies at risk of death from lack of formula
Doctors say Israel is blocking deliveries of formula urgently needed as mothers are either dead or too malnourished to feed their babies
www.theguardian.com
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HAMAS confiscated the baby food.
They deliberately hid tons of baby formula and children's nutritional shakes in their Gaza warehouses to exacerbate the hunger crisis and use civilian suffering as propaganda against Israel.
The allegations surrounding the availability of baby formula are complex, with different parties providing contrasting information. HAMAS is actively manipulating the humanitarian situation for political gain, leveraging civilian hardship to sway international opinion.
Their evil plans worked to perfection, apparently, as we see planigale posting her allegations, without mentioning HAMAS at all.
Again, I am in favor of alleviating the suffering of Gazans, by their millions, by giving them access to elArish and evacuating the tent camps and makeshift shelters. Half of Gazans would do so in a heartbeat, if given that option.
Holding them against their will in the Gaza Strip is inhumane.
Aid supply is not the main problem.
HAMAS is the problem.
They deliberately hid tons of baby formula and children's nutritional shakes in their Gaza warehouses to exacerbate the hunger crisis and use civilian suffering as propaganda against Israel.
The allegations surrounding the availability of baby formula are complex, with different parties providing contrasting information. HAMAS is actively manipulating the humanitarian situation for political gain, leveraging civilian hardship to sway international opinion.
Their evil plans worked to perfection, apparently, as we see planigale posting her allegations, without mentioning HAMAS at all.
Again, I am in favor of alleviating the suffering of Gazans, by their millions, by giving them access to elArish and evacuating the tent camps and makeshift shelters. Half of Gazans would do so in a heartbeat, if given that option.
Holding them against their will in the Gaza Strip is inhumane.
Aid supply is not the main problem.
HAMAS is the problem.
Israeli propaganda. There is no evidence for this.
Whereas direct witness testimony to Israel preventing baby formula entering Gaza.
Israel limits entry of baby formula in Gaza as infants die of hunger
While waiting to enter Gaza on a medical aid mission, an American doctor watched Israeli security forces confiscate the cans of powdered baby formula packed in his luggage. The vital product is desperately lacking in the Palestinian enclave, where about 50 children have died of hunger since March.
www.lemonde.fr
Let the injured children into Israel, where there are the closest medical facilities. Why won't Israel allow injured children to be treated by the closest medical facilities?
can you provide evidence to support your assertion?
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