NatalieSalat
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As with the Reich and so on, aside from the babies and children, pure innocence and ignorance would be rare.
General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4
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arthwollipot
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Pure innocence and ignorance is not required. All that is required is that they not be acting under the orders of a commander, wearing an identifiable uniform, and carrying a gun. Those are some other defining characteristics of "combatant" I found when delving into international law.
webfusion
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Amal Eid al-Najjar is classified as 'collateral death' to a targeted operation that eliminated terrorists, as a designed IAF mission. She was not the target. Nobody here is gaining any sexual gratification from her tragic demise, despite the claim by planigale of that. (pretty nasty claim, indeed).
HAMAS will avoid mentioning their losses, and only reference the deaths of civilians nearby to their imbedded forces.
The only people who are actually going to physically disarm and confront HAMAS, to take their weapons away from them, is Israel, because they’re not going to give them up voluntarily.
www.ynetnews.com
HAMAS will avoid mentioning their losses, and only reference the deaths of civilians nearby to their imbedded forces.
The only people who are actually going to physically disarm and confront HAMAS, to take their weapons away from them, is Israel, because they’re not going to give them up voluntarily.
Col. says Hamas behind all ceasefire violations in Gaza
Former Col. Richard Kemp: 'We’ve come to a point where Hamas has got to be finally dealt with'
www.ynetnews.com
Two stories, I want to juxtapose them here ---
#One: IDF recruits at the induction center, interviewed along with their parents and loved ones.
"We will protect our nation from enemies..."
#Two: HAMAS leader declares they will not rest until Israel is no more.
Hamas leader Mashaal vows Israel’s destruction, rejects Trump peace plan
Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal renews calls for Israel’s destruction, rejecting Trump’s peace plan and UN demands to disarm.www.israelnationalnews.com
The World's Western culture is in a moment of profound confusion, where moral relativism, ideological extremism, and the fear of being labeled “controversial” have many people retreating from their own principles. Israel, in this moment, exposes that crisis with painful clarity. If you cannot say which side stands for individual liberty and which side glorifies death and destruction, the issue isn’t Israel. The issue is you.
In previous posts, thePrestige made comments regarding the shifting of moral burden to Israel, while excusing HAMAS et al.
This opinion piece was published yesterday, and covers that exact point quite nicely:
The ’I don’t support Israel’ conversation needs to stop
The real problem isn’t Israel or Zionism. It’s whether Western civilization still matters. Opinion.
NatalieSalat
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Yes, hence Mengele, the Aktion T4 physicians, the scientists of Unit 731 -- all essential -- protected because they were legally civilians
NatalieSalat
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arthwollipot
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For a start, they were all before the conventions I've been talking about, so at the time they did not have protection as civilians. Secondly, we're talking about direct targeting by military forces in war. Criminals can be prosecuted as criminals, in an ideal world at least, regardless of whether they were combatants or not.
Except they weren't.
You have justified the actions of Israel by saying they are no worse than the actions of Nazis.
I just say there should be the same justice for the victims no matter who the perpetrators* are.
ETA *Israelis or Nazis or Hamas.
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webfusion
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Journalists? Or affiliates in the service of HAMAS et al?
www.ynetnews.com
Study reveals majority of Gaza war 'journalists' tied to terror groups
New study reveals at least 157 of 266 Palestinians labeled as journalists and killed in Gaza were operatives or affiliates of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, highlighting how terror groups embed media workers in propaganda and military activity
www.ynetnews.com
The evidence for terrorism is a bit thin e.g.Journalists? Or affiliates in the service of HAMAS et al?
Study reveals majority of Gaza war 'journalists' tied to terror groups
New study reveals at least 157 of 266 Palestinians labeled as journalists and killed in Gaza were operatives or affiliates of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, highlighting how terror groups embed media workers in propaganda and military activity
Even with such flimsy connections to define people as terrorists they still could only identify half of journalists killed as terrorists.
Connections with the Palesitine Authority, nominally the legitimate governing body of Palestine was sufficient to define you as a 'terrorist'.
The people producing this report are an Israeli government funded propaganda organisation.
It is worth contemplating that the only evidence needed to justify the execution of a Palestinian as a terrorists is;
arthwollipot
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Their definition of "terrorist" is as loose as their definition of "combatant".
To post this you must think the IDF targetted journalists; and to justify targetting them you need to blacken them by making them terrorist affiliates. What it actualy does is show what tenuous association is needed for targetted killing of Palestinians.Journalists? Or affiliates in the service of HAMAS et al?
Study reveals majority of Gaza war 'journalists' tied to terror groups
New study reveals at least 157 of 266 Palestinians labeled as journalists and killed in Gaza were operatives or affiliates of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, highlighting how terror groups embed media workers in propaganda and military activity
webfusion
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"tenuous association" --- Israel has literally killed tens of thousands of Islamic Jihadists. It's all good.
www.israelnationalnews.com
and
www.israelnationalnews.com
Meanwhile, the State of Israel is expanding the presence of Jews throughout the HolyLand.
Esh Kodesh, Allenby, Givat Harel, Ganim, Har Bezek, Ya’ar El-Keren, Yatziv, Yitav West, Kadim, Kochav HaShachar North, Kida, Mishol, Nahal Doron, Pnei Kedem, Reihanit, Rosh HaAyin East, Shalem, Tamun.
All given formal governmental approvals for their communities to continue existing across Judea and Samaria.
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Utbe is presenting many videos of the Gaza inundation.
Looks kinda wet.
Yet, nothing is being done to evacuate these folks. "Leave 'em to suffer in Gaza" seems to be the attitude of the rest of the world. Disgraceful.
2nd time this week: IDF strikes Hezbollah training facility in Lebanon
IDF struck a compound used by Hezbollah's Radwan Force to conduct shooting exercises and additional training on the use of various types of weapons.
www.israelnationalnews.com
and
IDF launches preemptive sweep of Hamas operatives ahead of Foundation Day
IDF arrests and interrogates dozens of suspected Hamas operatives in Judea and Samaria as part of a preemptive campaign ahead of Hamas’ Foundation Day to 'stay a step ahead of a constantly adapting enemy.'
www.israelnationalnews.com
Meanwhile, the State of Israel is expanding the presence of Jews throughout the HolyLand.
Esh Kodesh, Allenby, Givat Harel, Ganim, Har Bezek, Ya’ar El-Keren, Yatziv, Yitav West, Kadim, Kochav HaShachar North, Kida, Mishol, Nahal Doron, Pnei Kedem, Reihanit, Rosh HaAyin East, Shalem, Tamun.
All given formal governmental approvals for their communities to continue existing across Judea and Samaria.
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Utbe is presenting many videos of the Gaza inundation.
Looks kinda wet.
Yet, nothing is being done to evacuate these folks. "Leave 'em to suffer in Gaza" seems to be the attitude of the rest of the world. Disgraceful.
Some how you are missing the point that just because Israel claims they are terrorists doesn't mean they did any more than be employed to clean the streets on Gaza (employed by the Hamas government), were a health worker in a Hezbullah clinic etc. Most of those injured by the booby trapped pagers weren't Hezbullah members, most of those who were were people like first responders, e.g. fire and health workers."tenuous association" --- Israel has literally killed tens of thousands of Islamic Jihadists. It's all good.
2nd time this week: IDF strikes Hezbollah training facility in Lebanon
IDF struck a compound used by Hezbollah's Radwan Force to conduct shooting exercises and additional training on the use of various types of weapons.
and
IDF launches preemptive sweep of Hamas operatives ahead of Foundation Day
IDF arrests and interrogates dozens of suspected Hamas operatives in Judea and Samaria as part of a preemptive campaign ahead of Hamas’ Foundation Day to 'stay a step ahead of a constantly adapting enemy.'
Meanwhile, the State of Israel is expanding the presence of Jews throughout the HolyLand.
Esh Kodesh, Allenby, Givat Harel, Ganim, Har Bezek, Ya’ar El-Keren, Yatziv, Yitav West, Kadim, Kochav HaShachar North, Kida, Mishol, Nahal Doron, Pnei Kedem, Reihanit, Rosh HaAyin East, Shalem, Tamun.
All given formal governmental approvals for their communities to continue existing across Judea and Samaria.
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Utbe is presenting many videos of the Gaza inundation.
Looks kinda wet.
Yet, nothing is being done to evacuate these folks. "Leave 'em to suffer in Gaza" seems to be the attitude of the rest of the world. Disgraceful.
This also is a good illustration of what a cease fire with Israel means, not a cease fire just a slowing in the rate of killings; not a withdrawal from occupied territory, just a partial withdrawal. Then as we see in the West Bank with re-occupation after a bit. Driving out the last few Christian Palestinians; literally a genocide of the Christian population of Palestine is being delivered by Israel.
How many Palestinian refugees has Israel accepted? Perhaps Israel should set a humanitarian example and take in refugees.
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webfusion
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What a crock.
Israel is not 'driving out' Christians and again, the use of the word 'genocide' is misapplied.
Palestinian refugees number in the millions, and UNRWA was formed to relocate/support them.
How's that been coming along? Not well, to say the least.
Israel is barely acting militarily, compared to prior to this ceasefire.
As it happens, the BYRON natural event is causing more deaths and destruction than the IDF this week.
(The partial withdrawal was arranged as agreed. The Yellow Boundry is mutually defined & Rafah is under IDF control).
This statement doesn't hold up to even the minimal scrutiny of facts:
"Most of those injured by the booby trapped pagers weren't Hezbullah members..."
According to media reports (Lieber Institute West Point, for example) -- "most of the casualties appear to have been Hezbollah operatives, but a few civilian casualties were also reported..."
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"Leave 'em to suffer in Gaza" seems to be the attitude of the rest of the world. Disgraceful.
Israel is not 'driving out' Christians and again, the use of the word 'genocide' is misapplied.
Palestinian refugees number in the millions, and UNRWA was formed to relocate/support them.
How's that been coming along? Not well, to say the least.
Israel is barely acting militarily, compared to prior to this ceasefire.
As it happens, the BYRON natural event is causing more deaths and destruction than the IDF this week.
(The partial withdrawal was arranged as agreed. The Yellow Boundry is mutually defined & Rafah is under IDF control).
This statement doesn't hold up to even the minimal scrutiny of facts:
"Most of those injured by the booby trapped pagers weren't Hezbullah members..."
According to media reports (Lieber Institute West Point, for example) -- "most of the casualties appear to have been Hezbollah operatives, but a few civilian casualties were also reported..."
++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Leave 'em to suffer in Gaza" seems to be the attitude of the rest of the world. Disgraceful.
Israel is the closest state to Gaza, it is causing the suffering by withholding aid. It held up tents supplied by the UK government for a year.
We have just had an example of how flimsy the definition or terror associates is, another case from Lebanon;
Now doubt he would be classified as a Hezbollah operative. Hezbollah was effectively a local government it ran social health and education services, being a Hezbollah operative doesn't mean that they weren't civilians.
A year on, Lebanese maimed in Israel's pager attacks on long road to recovery
Zainab Mustarah once spent her days running an events planning firm in Beirut. But for the last year, she has been in and out of surgery to save the remnants of her right hand and both eyes.
www.reuters.com
your source is a US government funded propaganda operation they have just assumed that most of those injured were military operatives, they provide no facts.
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webfusion
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Egypt is the closest state to Gaza.
Gazans are being stopped from going out through Egypt.
Egypt is not an enemy of Palestinians, yet they refuse to alleviate their distress.
(about half of the population of Gaza would gladly leave through the Sinai if given transit).
◊◊◊◊ Hezbollah.
◊◊◊◊ HAMAS.
www.jpost.com
Gazans are being stopped from going out through Egypt.
Egypt is not an enemy of Palestinians, yet they refuse to alleviate their distress.
(about half of the population of Gaza would gladly leave through the Sinai if given transit).
◊◊◊◊ Hezbollah.
◊◊◊◊ HAMAS.
Israeli military attacks key Hamas terrorist in Gaza City | The Jerusalem Post
The target was reported to be Ra'ad Sa'ad, a senior commander in the Al-Qassam Brigades, and one of Hamas's top officials.
www.jpost.com
Not since Israel occupied the border between Egypt and Gaza. Israel completely encircles Gaza. There is no border between Gaxa and Egypt except though an area of Israeli control.Egypt is the closest state to Gaza.sGazans are being stopped from going out through Egypt.
Egypt is not an enemy of Palestinians, yet they refuse to alleviate their distress.
(about half of the population of Gaza would gladly leave through the Sinai if given transit).
◊◊◊◊ Hezbollah.
◊◊◊◊ HAMAS.
Israeli military attacks key Hamas terrorist in Gaza City | The Jerusalem Post
The target was reported to be Ra'ad Sa'ad, a senior commander in the Al-Qassam Brigades, and one of Hamas's top officials.
It is interesting that those seeking to defend Israel have too lie.