If Israel has nukes, why do you want to prevent the Palestinians from haivng some for self defence?
Because to date they've used every weapon they could get their hands on offensively.
Did you know the PLO was founded in 1964, three years before Israel captured the West Bank and Gaza? What is it you think they wanted "liberated" back then?
What "acted upon" should mean, exactly?
He wrote such letter proposing a peace based on a two-state solution on the 1967 borders.
Such letters were public.
What else do you need?
The next step would have been to have the changes ratified by the Palestinian government and a new charter drawn up to reflect those changes.
More about this ..
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Thursday said that the Palestinian people recognize Israel's right to exist and they hope the Israeli government will respond by "recognizing the Palestinian state on the borders of the land occupied in 1967." The PA president's comments came in a speech to the Dutch parliament in the Hague.
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/We-recognize-Israel-they-should-recognize-Palestine
Look, we're discussing Arafat and suddenly you switch to talking about Abbas. They are not interchangeable. They are very different time periods. You can't point to something Abbas said last week and pretend it has something to do with what Arafat said decades ago.
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So the letters at the Jewish Library are a scam?
They have been written by someone else?
Arafat did not write such letters?
I don't see anything I said that would lead you to any of those conclusions. Please try to keep context in mind. We were referring to Arafat's speach to the UN in Geneva, where he did not recognize Israel's right to exist, he called upon Israel to withdraw to the '67 borders.
Did you read it?
Oh, I see..
Then if the US said that Arafat did not recognize Israel it must be really so as, as we know, the US Government is fair, good-hearted and never lies..
It's kinda defined the history of the conflict, where Arafat always came really close to saying what he needed to say, but not quite. It's created a lot of distrust among Israelis.
Have you read the speech?
I can also set up a site called
www.palestinefacts.org writing down that the moon is a piece of cheese
You could. Just because something is said or written down, doesn't always make it true. If you were to find some specific facts on that website that are incorrect, I would reconsider using it as a source.
I see..
Again, it is up to you to decide what Arafat meant with his words and to change their meaning accord to your convenience.
How can there be a discussion if you take this strongly brainwashed point of view?
I gave you the actual text of his speech. Did you read it?
I have showed you when the Palestinians accepted the two state solutions based on the 1967 borders.
I did what I needed to do.
Please show me now when Israel accepted the same
You've shown me where Abbas has made some encouraging statements. He's gone further than Arafat did, which is good. At the same time, those statements distance him from the more radical elements of the Palestinians, and means little if he can't get Hamas aboard.
"Palestine for me is the 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as the capital. This is Palestine," he added. "I am a refugee. I live in Ramallah. The West Bank and Gaza is Palestine. Everything else is Israel."
Uhm, that's more of what you've already said, but it's not a list of Palestinian concessions you claimed existed. Again, can you list all these concessions Palestinians have made?
Negotiation is an useless word unless you want pease
The Palestinians (excluding Hamas) want pease and they have accepted a two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.
That's what many Israelis believe. They believe Palestinians are not negotiating in good faith, and that it's useless.
But the alternative to negotiations is the status quo, which is bad for everyone.
Stupid comment
You expect the Palestinians to accept passively whatever Israel wants to put in their throats
Abbas has already offered peace
I don't get this comment. Aren't you doing basically what you accuse me of doing? By continually demanding Israel accept the '67 boarders, aren't you saying Israel should just passively accept what is put to them?
You keep saying "Why doesn't Israel just accept the '67 boarders" and get on with it, and maybe they should, but by the same reasoning, why don't the Palestinians just accept Ramallah as their capital and give up demands for East Jerusalem? They already use it as their capital, is holding out for East Jerusalem really worth another generation or two lost to this conflict?
I back the peacefyl solution proposed by Abbas, therefore I am not guilty
Except that you're not willing to look at how Hamas is an obstacle here, (butbutbuthamas!) and you put the full responsibility of creating peace on the Israelis.
