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Merged General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 2

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Eddie Dane said:
For those who have not read my Israel-critical posts: I am pro-Israel but seriously critical of their settlement policies, checkpoints, general heavy-handed and arrogant behaviour towards the Palestinians.

The posts I see from my lefty friends of this subject are so absolutely bat-crap insane that I'm starting to question where I fit in the political spectrum.

In fact, the out-of-touch liberal that I mostly considered to be a strawman invented by the right, seems to exist for real.

I am as annoyed by how they paint everything Israel does in the most extreme light (comparing them to Nazis, usually and Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto), as I am by their weird racism. Not an iota of responsibility is given to the Palestinians. Who are not held to a lower standard (as is usually the case), but to no standard at all.

They have no idea of the lives of either the Palestinians or the Israelis. It has all been reduced to some kind of cartoon. These are the people who thought Mao was cool a generation ago.

Maybe I lack right-winged friends, but I can honestly say that don't know any right-winged equivalent of this phenomenon. Nobody is cheering the ground invasion or screaming for Arab blood.
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My experience exactly.
Also nominated.
 
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Mycroft said:
What does that mean?
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According to Google, /pol/ is the political discussion portion of 4chan.

"/pol/ is 4chan's politics and debate board. ... Welcome to /pol/ - Politically Incorrect Anonymous"

Sounds like a lovely place.
 
tyr_13 said:
As far as US support for Israel, I am high skeptical of the idea that making rich US Jews happy is a primary or even substantial motivator.
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The justification I always hear for giving the most foreign aid to a country whose median income is in the top 25 in the world was for regional stability.

And it's done so well at achieving that end! :rolleyes:
 
Eddie Dane said:
They are looking at their airforce bombing the rocket installations that have been raining rockets on their homes for years.

And here is some lovely footage of Gazans cheering the rockets being fired at Israel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQDZ3WGnN90
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Those were Israelis. Well...not unless some Palestinians have grown awfully light complected and now have blond hair! Notice many beards on that crowd?

Here's what happens when a Western Reporter reports the truth of the Israeli Crowds:

http://www.ibtimes.com/cnn-reassigns-gaza-reporter-after-calling-israeli-crowd-scum-1633338
 
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Jules Galen said:
Here's what happens when a Western Reporter reports the truth of the Israeli Crowds:

http://www.ibtimes.com/cnn-reassigns-gaza-reporter-after-calling-israeli-crowd-scum-1633338
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If you're going to tell a lie, it's not a good idea to link to a news article that proves that you lie:rolleyes:. Heck, the URL alone shows you're lying. Read:

"CNN has reassigned a reporter working in southern Israel after referring to a group of Israeli people as “scum” for cheering Israeli bombing raids in Gaza and threatening her crew."

Whoops. Nothing about "telling truth" there. Perhaps you should try RT. They might report the incident in a way more to your liking.

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Jules Galen said:
OMG! Hamas deploys the dreaded "Donkey Bomb" against the IDF: a donkey laden with explosives! :yahoo

http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-co...s-militants-tunnel-in-gaza-video-2453158.html
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Glad you're having fun.
 
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Gaetan said:
You bet, i guess it is the eye for an eye law, so as they killed one israelien, they have to kill 5000 palestinians and destroy all their homes. If someone says something it is of no matter since they have the US veto.
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It ain't the Israeli's my man, it is Hamas that made that decision - also, it is the Palestinian's and their brothers who set a ratio of 1 Israeli is worth 1000 of the other side when they set up the prisoner swap things. And, much more important, and I suspect you will not admit to knowing this (and maybe you are actually unaware: there are some things called together Rules of Warfare which all civilized and many semi-civilized countries are bound by when they must go to war. The germane ones for our little discussion I will start with are the ones you will almost certainly quote out of context later (though I would hope I am wrong about that, as many try to pretend they are the only ones on the topic I cover).. The Rules state that reasonable effort must be made to protect non-combatants and to avoid civilian population areas where possible and if they must be targeted you must try to keep down the casualties of civilians. If that were all, you would be happy and I would think only an idiot would agree to them, BUT, that is not all: the military is not to be in civilian areas or those become legitimate targets, the military members must not hide among civilians or such areas become legitimate targets. Any civilian areas working to produce military needs /service military personnel, etc. are legitimate targets (beginning to see a real legal thing going on here that Hamas might be trying to use for their own purposes? - Well, wait, it gets worse!!: Railroads, roads, bridges, waterways, ports.... for civilian use only may not be targeted - but if the military uses them at all, BOOM!!!Legal.
If military headquarters, communications, etc. are located in a civilian area: yep, target open for business. Amazingly a lot of newspeople let that slip by in their attempts to make Israel look bad - they are either ignorant, fools, or Hamas supporters. Oh, any Hamas person must be wearing the official uniform of Hamas (oh, wait, they illegally do not wear a uniform so they can (wait for it.....) hide among civilians..... This should be enough to make the point, but, if you have quibbles I know lot's more about the Rules of Warfare - we had to when I was in the Army in VietNam......
 
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When it comes to comparing Israel with the Nazis, the bottom line seems to be that it is a taunt. The subtext in almost every case is "You of all people...".
 
Mycroft said:
Some of the people who claim to support Palestinians also look down on them and ridicule them. Go figure.
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I do not want to speak for others, but I remember you that Palestinians are not united, and some people approved some Palestinians will for peace while condemning other Palestinians looking for war.
 
KumarS said:
I do not want to speak for others, but I remember you that Palestinians are not united, and some people approved some Palestinians will for peace while condemning other Palestinians looking for war.
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I think the article about the explosive donkey is mocking to the Palestinians, and is presented in very poor taste by someone who pretends to support them.

If your opinion is different, we shall have to agree to disagree.
 
KumarS said:
Interesting article on the Guardian

The death of the Israel-Palestine two-state solution brings fresh hope
With many Palestinians and Israelis coming round to the idea of a bi-national state, it's possible to glimpse a peaceful future
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/23/israel-palestine-two-state-solution

My opinion is that Israel will soon be a bi-national state with an Arab majority
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I would support it if I thought it could work, but
A. It can never be acceptable to Israel, it is the only Jewish-majority country in the world.
B. It would turn into Syria pretty fast.

Why on earth would Israel agree to such a solution?
They don't even trust the Palestinians enough to pull out of the West Bank.
On top of that, they are stable, reasonably prosperous, democratic, technologically advanced and have just struck an off-shore gas reserve that they are not going to share with the other children. Why risk that?
 
All sides could stop the finger pointing, name calling and shooting and start talking again, that takes real courage to do that, need another Yitzhak Rabin, pity a religious nutcase killed him.
 
I am generally pro-Israeli, but even I cannot explain why they're using flechettes. Clearly the current Israeli administration doesn't give a crap about peace or not hurting civilians. Disgusting.
 
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