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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

Israel does allow Gazan distressed and sick to be treated in our hospitals.
Or transferred through Ben Gurion International to other countries.
You should know that.

There is video evidence from Gaza regarding the HAMAS warehouses overflowing with formula.
It's not my 'assertion' at all. (See: New York Post and others)
Erez Winter and Gadi Taub in their August Tablet article “Feeding the Enemy” cover this story as well.
I am OK with relying on the information provided by Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib.
He is not an Israeli. He understands (and despises) what HAMAS has wrought.
There are many like-minded Gazans who've had ENOUGH!
Yet, here you are, ignoring the vile and despicable HAMAS control over the lives of Gazans.

Israel became the first country in the history of warfare to assume responsibility for feeding the enemy population.
 
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webfusion said:
HAMAS confiscated the baby food.

They deliberately hid tons of baby formula and children's nutritional shakes in their Gaza warehouses to exacerbate the hunger crisis and use civilian suffering as propaganda against Israel.

The allegations surrounding the availability of baby formula are complex, with different parties providing contrasting information. HAMAS is actively manipulating the humanitarian situation for political gain, leveraging civilian hardship to sway international opinion.
Their evil plans worked to perfection, apparently, as we see planigale posting her allegations, without mentioning HAMAS at all.

Again, I am in favor of alleviating the suffering of Gazans, by their millions, by giving them access to elArish and evacuating the tent camps and makeshift shelters. Half of Gazans would do so in a heartbeat, if given that option.

Holding them against their will in the Gaza Strip is inhumane.

Aid supply is not the main problem.
HAMAS is the problem.
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You do know how irrational this claim is don't you?
Israel controls what goes into Gaza. The baby formula going into Gaza would be brought in by an NGO such as Oxfam or Save the Children. All the NGOs have their own distribution systems, they don't put their supplies into a Hamas warehouse. What would Hamas have to gain by stockpiling aid; they'd gain more by distributing it and being seen as saviours to the starving babies, promoting loyalty.

This is obvious black propaganda.
 
webfusion said:
Israel does allow Gazan distressed and sick to be treated in our hospitals.
Or transferred through Ben Gurion International to other countries.
You should know that.

There is video evidence from Gaza regarding the HAMAS warehouses overflowing with formula.
It's not my 'assertion' at all. (See: New York Post and others)
Erez Winter and Gadi Taub in their August Tablet article “Feeding the Enemy” cover this story as well.
I am OK with relying on the information provided by Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib.
He is not an Israeli. He is a Muslim in Gaza who understands (and despises) what HAMAS has wrought.
There are many like-minded Gazans who've had ENOUGH!
Yet, here you are, ignoring the vile and despicable HAMAS control over the lives of Gazans.

Israel became the first country in the history of warfare to assume responsibility for feeding the enemy population.
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Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib is not a muslim in gaza he is a US citizen who has a degree in intelligence studies from the American Military University. He has not been in Gaza.

The video has been identified as being taken in August 2025. Armed groups affiliated with Abu Shabab and other gang groups were controlling the aid trucks, which they blatantly looted at that time. They were 'sponsored' by the IDF as anti-Hamas forces. The aid the gangs looted was sold in the market by gangs at crazy prices. When time passed and they couldn’t sell it, they disposed of it in this manner. The video was published by one of the known false news sources, and then it was picked up by Ahmad al-Khatib.

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You are completely failing to understand the methodology of HAMAS in this situation.
They control Gaza because they control the money, the jobs, the food, the education, the Rafah crossing exit permits, etc etc.

The HAMAS plan was to create a 'starvation' and 'famine' scenario. It worked to perfection.

As for al-Khatib, I misspoke about him being "in Gaza" but he is "From Gaza" (until age 15) and now follows the HAMAS situtation closely. Anyway, it's a minor quibble, not worth getting into a pissing match about that.
The amount of propaganda is virtually limitless, from everyone.

The Intifada has been Globalized. THAT was the objective.

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Arthwollipot, I do know that HAMAS is inhumane.
The relatively low raw numbers of Gazan dead is a testament to Israel restraint and consideration about the population's well-being.
You are welcome to view it otherwise, of course.
 
Yes, arthwollipot, the war produced a RELATIVELY low fatality count, due to Israeli caution and evacuations.

How many of the fatalities were HAMAS & Co. ?? Please tell us, it should be a simple thing to find that info, right?

HAMAS says: All deaths in Gaza are resulting from "Israeli aggression."
And here we are... arthwollipot is amazed that HAMAS got their asses kicked hard.

Including the airstrike on Raed Saad, Hamas's top commander and head of weapons manufacturing.

Good riddance.
 
webfusion said:
Yes, arthwollipot, the war produced a RELATIVELY low fatality count, due to Israeli caution and evacuations.
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Relative to what?

"Israeli caution" is absolute bull. Israel will mow down civilians and justify it by saying that the terrorists were using them as human shields. You yourself have made that argument. Labelling it as "caution" isn't fooling anyone. Except you.
 
You are completely failing to understand the methodology of HAMAS in this situation.
They control Gaza because they control the money, the jobs, the food, the education, the Rafah crossing exit permits, etc etc.

The HAMAS plan was to create a 'starvation' and 'famine' scenario. It worked to perfection.
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Please post any evidence for this.

This is more Israeli black propaganda. You do not have to believe everything you read. Try to think rationally; what gain would Hamas have from this? Hamas isn't some abstract concept it is rooted in the people of Gaza. It is mostly a governmental service delivering local health care, education, security. A starving population isn't in their interest. It clearly was the expressed intent of members of the Israeli government and Israeli politicians. It is part of standard Israeli strategy of collective punishment to separate 'the people' from the organisation. It is why Israel deliberately targets people in their homes killing their families. It is to terrify others, as a warning that their families will suffer not just them. It is the expressed reason why the family homes of 'terrorists' are destroyed, to make the family suffer, to act as a deterrence.

Given that senior Israeli politicians have called for this, that it fits with Israeli anti-terrorist doctrine, why do you say it was the intent of Hamas? Do you think Hamas tricked Israel into doing its will? Remember Israel has absolute control of what went into (and out of Gaza), Hamas couldn't have stopped (and didn't stop) aid coming in. All the NGOs were clear they controlled and distributed aid not Hamas. Your statement is irrational just try and review the evidence and think about it logically.

Remember the blockade started after Israel unilaterally ended a previous ceasefire.
Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz described the blockade as a “main pressure lever” against Hamas, saying there were no plans to ease restrictions
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Hamas didn't praise Israel for starving Gaza on the contrary they opposed the policy,
Hamas condemned Katz’s remarks as “a public admission of committing a war crime”.

Israel is “depriving innocent civilians of basic necessities of life, including food, medicine, water and fuel, for the seventh consecutive week”, the group said in a statement posted to Telegram on Thursday. “We renew our calls for the international community to take action to stop the starvation and blockade imposed on the Gaza Strip,” it added.
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Bezalel Smotrich, “No one in the world will allow us to starve 2 million people, even though it might be justified and moral in order to free the hostages.”
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Are you seriously denying that Hamas’ intention in invading Israel was to provoke an attack with inevitable deaths to people they purport to govern? That they did not care about the fact that Palestinians would die, and in fact wanted it to happen?

If so, you are seriously deluded.
 
lionking said:
Are you seriously denying that Hamas’ intention in invading Israel was to provoke an attack with inevitable deaths to people they purport to govern? That they did not care about the fact that Palestinians would die, and in fact wanted it to happen?

If so, you are seriously deluded.
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I do not know what their intent was. If you have evidence of their intent, please share it. If it is your opinion, then you are entitled to express it, but don't confuse that with what Hamas's intentions were.

it is worth remembering that they did not know of the dance festival, and their original plan was based on seizing military, security and police sites. (including seizing hostages for negotiation). They may well have under estimated the extent of Israeli vengeance. It may be they gave little thought to the consequences. The extent of civilian casualties may have been greater than they planned, particularly given that nearly half of civilian deaths were at the Nova festival which they were unaware of and attacking it was unplanned. It don't think (personal opinion) that they thought that Israel would deliberately starve Gaza.

If and when you come up with some facts I'll review them. if it is just your opinion I'll respect that, but not necessarily agree.
 
Planigale said:
I do not know what their intent was. If you have evidence of their intent, please share it. If it is your opinion, then you are entitled to express it, but don't confuse that with what Hamas's intentions were.

it is worth remembering that they did not know of the dance festival, and their original plan was based on seizing military, security and police sites. (including seizing hostages for negotiation). They may well have under estimated the extent of Israeli vengeance. It may be they gave little thought to the consequences. The extent of civilian casualties may have been greater than they planned, particularly given that nearly half of civilian deaths were at the Nova festival which they were unaware of and attacking it was unplanned. It don't think (personal opinion) that they thought that Israel would deliberately starve Gaza.

If and when you come up with some facts I'll review them. if it is just your opinion I'll respect that, but not necessarily agree.
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It’s not my opinion, it is Hamas’ stated intention to destroy Israel. It is not and has never been some beneficial social welfare organisation. If you do not accept this, you are beyond help.
 
arthwollipot said:
How many civilians were killed in that airstrike?
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Who actually cares?
Do you know the answer, BTW?
It looked like a precision attack, with only the occupants of the vehicle eliminated.

Gazans are transiting Israel to leave.
Hundreds of 'em. Thousands more to go.
Sayonara.
www.jpost.com

Gazans with visas travel abroad through Israel | The Jerusalem Post

All such individuals are first approved by the Israeli security establishment before they are permitted to travel to ensure they are not escaping wanted terrorists.
www.jpost.com www.jpost.com

"...evidence of their intent, please share it."
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory). -- preamble to HAMAS Charter.
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." ---- (Article 7, ibid)
That sure seems to be more obvious evidence of intent.
Your mileage may vary.
Are these 'military sites'? ---
Nahal Oz, Kfar Aza, Magen, Be'eri, Alumim, Ofakim, Mefalsim, and Sufa, among other civilian sites.

The attacks began with a barrage of at least 4,300 rockets launched indiscriminately into Israel towns and communities.
6,000 Gazans breached the border fortifications into Israel.
Israeli first responders recovered documents from killed militants' bodies with instructions to attack civilians, including elementary schools and a youth center, to "kill as many people as possible"


lionking, I believe that HAMAS is indeed engaged in social & educational endeavors.
honestreporting.com

Hamas Ran Gaza’s Aid System. NGOs Helped Keep the Secret. | HonestReporting

Key Takeaways: Newly declassified Hamas documents show the terror group infiltrated major humanitarian NGOs in Gaza, placing Hamas “guarantors” inside
honestreporting.com honestreporting.com
 
webfusion said:
Who actually cares?
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Who cares about civilian deaths? That's a very damning question. A very damning question, which reveals a lot about your moral status, or complete lack thereof. You claim to be righteous, and then you ask "who cares how many civilians were killed?". You are not righteous.
 
NatalieSalat said:
Only the perps are responsible for suffering cry the hard and far left... unless its groups they like and additionally, falsely term "resistance" such as Hamas, the PLO, the LTTE, Viet Cong/the DRV et al -- despite those groups' authoritarian and oppressive tactics and rule over territory

No, it is not freezing in Gaza. "Gaza is freezing" has succeeded "Gaza is starving" as the fake news favorite of the week. It hasn't been colder than 12 degrees in Gaza for the past fortnight, while we are being told that babies are freezing to death.

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Allowing the likely infiltration of militants and terrorists across recognised borders, whether EGY or ISR is why those borders are restricted. The "open-air prison" myth always and deliberately elided that.
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www.aljazeera.com

Palestinian infant freezes to death in Gaza as Israel keeps blocking aid

Winter cold 'becomes lethal' as Israel restricts entry of tents, blankets and other shelter supplies to ravaged enclave.
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One baby's death is one too many. It is not freezing you say. Children aren't starving you say. Try saying that when you have to hand a dead child to its mother.
Try and justify this you heartless ******
 
One death is a tragedy.
70,000 deaths is a statistic.

Gazans are in trouble. Deep trouble.
With a very narrow window of opportunity to make things right.
Israel still expects Ran Gvili's corpse. What condolences are you conveying to his mother here, planigale??
There's many a slip twixt the cup and the lip; we'll see how a ceasefire can unravel in a New York minute...

The most obvious answer for relief is not bringing more free ◊◊◊◊ into Gaza, but giving the Gazans themselves an elegant exit (and half of the whole population have quietly expressed desires to take off).
 
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Whatta ya mean, what ceasefire? The United States of America is going full-ahead into phase 2 and arranging an interim intervention force that will supervise thoroughly the details of HAMAS' observance of the terms, and keep tabs on Israel's static military deployment beyond the Yellow Lines.
Rafah is a bone of contention, to be worked-out.
Zikim (ErezWest) is a new and expanded cargo transfer facility that supplements Erez and Karem Shalom.
Israel has done a Salami-Slice job on Gaza's main arteries, and created new routes N/S and reinforced the zones of separation (Netzarim Corridor). Also, as the Agreements move ahead, there is post-war planning for
"Green" and "Red" Zones:
Green Zones would be areas under Israeli and international military control where reconstruction, including "alternative safe communities," might begin.
Red Zones would be areas left in ruins and remaining under Hamas influence, with little to no reconstruction efforts, intended for a gradual reduction of Islamic Jihadist control.

www.jpost.com

IDF dismantles Hamas sites along Gaza Yellow Line | The Jerusalem Post

The operation was conducted by the 143rd Gaza Division of the Golani Brigade, which located weapons and surveillance equipment, including AK-47 rifles, RPG rockets, and cameras used by Hamas.
www.jpost.com www.jpost.com
 
Ayalet Shaked shared a deceased speechwriter's article in a 2014 Facebook post. (written by Uri Elitzur years earlier, in which he labeled "the entire Palestinian people" as the enemy and advocated for the destruction of its elderly & women, cities, and villages.)
So, technically, SHE didn't say it.
Is reposting/sharing other's sentiments the same as authoring the words? It may be considered as such, I dunno the exact social media protocol on that.
Lots of Israelis wish the Palestainians would ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ disappear.
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arthwollipot, there has been an effective ceasefire, as far as can be practicable when IDF is dug in and faces guerilla hit-and-run actions, along with IED's RPGs and such. The yellow line is possibly going to become the new permanent partition of Gaza. From what I'm seeing, the overall implementation of “alternative safe communities” (ASC's) is where this is all headed.
 
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webfusion said:
Ayalet Shaked shared a deceased speechwriter's article in a 2014 Facebook post. (written by Uri Elitzur years earlier, in which he labeled "the entire Palestinian people" as the enemy and advocated for the destruction of its elderly & women, cities, and villages.)
So, technically, SHE didn't say it.
Is reposting/sharing other's sentiments the same as authoring the words? It may be considered as such, I dunno the exact social media protocol on that.
Lots of Israelis wish the Palestainians would ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ disappear.
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Okay, thanks.

What about this one?

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I repeat -- Lots of Israelis wish the Palestinians would ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ disappear.

Palestinians as animals in Israeli discourse - Wikipedia

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Israel is running on all eight cylinders.
www.jpost.com

Israeli exports in 2025 near pre-war peak | The Jerusalem Post

Economy and Industry Minister Nir Barkat announced the figures on the second day of the Foreign Trade Administration’s annual annexes conference.
www.jpost.com www.jpost.com

Palestinian Arabs are not.
They are basically out of gas.
 
Sinai is the obvious way out for Palestinians, at least for a few years, until true Palestinian reform is achieved. As a matter of principle, the Middle East stakeholder nation of Egypt, who is consistently urging the establishment of a Palestinian state, needs to also offer some real estate alongside their demands for 'freepalestine'.

www.jpost.com

Israel must allow bureaucratic departure from Gaza Strip | The Jerusalem Post

If foreign governments want more people to leave safely, they must do the unglamorous work: issue visas, arrange onward travel, accept evacuees, and fund logistics.
www.jpost.com www.jpost.com

In a functioning international system, civilians with lawful travel options should not remain trapped in a combat zone because politics are difficult. Facilitating their exit is what a responsible state does in wartime.

(I note that the USA is cancelling the P-A visas and prohibiting entry to Palestinians into America)

Israel is headed towards institutionalizing the departure channel.
Now, where's the international community? They need to step up.
Especially Egypt.


Arthwollipot, I have made quite clear my preference.
If you missed the other times I've posted this, take a moment and read it.
It's enlightening. And reasonable.
 
Planigale said:
www.aljazeera.com

Palestinian infant freezes to death in Gaza as Israel keeps blocking aid

Winter cold 'becomes lethal' as Israel restricts entry of tents, blankets and other shelter supplies to ravaged enclave.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
One baby's death is one too many. It is not freezing you say. Children aren't starving you say. Try saying that when you have to hand a dead child to its mother.
Try and justify this you heartless ******
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AJ is effectively the state media arm of Quatar, a major sponsor along with Iran of Palestinian terror and extremist groups.

Pacifism without pragmatism is villainy. Diana Gould was no hero by functionally siding with the people behind the Dirty War.
 
webfusion said:
Arthwollipot, I have made quite clear my preference.
If you missed the other times I've posted this, take a moment and read it.
It's enlightening. And reasonable.
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I've read it. I notice that it appears to be entirely authored by Israelis with apparently no input from any Palestinians, and it requires Egypt to give up a substantial amount of land. Good luck with that.

Also, I noticed that the link that the article provides to the New State Solution website is now dead. I assume the proposal is too.
 
'requires Egypt to give up a substantial amount of land'
So what? The peace treaty with Egypt provided the entire Sinai back to Egypt (after Sadat lost it THREE times --- 1956, 1967, 1973 --- in wars the Egyptians initiated). Was THAT not 'substantial' on the part of Israel to make that concession for the sake of peace?
Now, with changes occurring rapidly in regards to the MidEast confrontation nations (Syria, Lebanon, & SaudiArabia), and Trump pressing hard, something has to change to the persistently-urged "1949 Armistices paradigm" which has failed so many times, I've lost track.

That area in N.Sinai is empty basically. It can handle an influx of ALL the worlds' Palestinian refugees, and they would have access into an ExpandedNewPalestine through the port at elArish and the international air terminal there, as well.

And there's precedent --- The Egyptians gave up a 'substantial amount' of land to Saudi Arabia.
(See: Tiran and Sanafir, 2017)
Sisi did so in exchange for $22-billion in oil supply and development aid to Egypt .
Why would this NewPalestine trade-off be of such grave consequence to Egypt, when it would ultimately lead to an outcome that benefits everyone?
(Note: Israel just signed a $35-billion LNG contract with Gen. Sisi of Egypt, without ANY quid-pro-quo, astonishingly).
Getting from here to there requires more than "NOPE" or "Good luck with that" or "unacceptable" or "violates the Rights of Palestinians" (including their 'right' to continue attacking Israel).

Which Palestinians need to be consulted? HAMAS?
Palestinian Islamic Jihad? Palestine Authority?

As for the NSS website, yes, it's been taken offline.
MirYam Institute is responsible for that, and I've been unsuccessful in trying to find out from them the exact reasons. Intrepid journalists might wish to look into this aspect and discover that Institute's underlying rationale for suspending it.
 
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While the suggestion was floated, and the reaction was predictable -- Rejection --- the fact remains that it's literally impossible to formulate a NewPalestineState primarily because it is based on the premise of them thus needing to abandon the "Palestinian Cause" which is based on the reclamation of ALL ARAB LANDS (i.e. -- Eliminate Israel).

rosaluxna.org

A Palestinian State in North Sinai?

Rosa Luxemburg Stiftung - North Africa Office
rosaluxna.org rosaluxna.org

and

Zionism: The Policy of Transferring Palestinians, from the Origins to the Present Day

www.palestine-studies.org www.palestine-studies.org

and


and

www.miryaminstitute.org

A Palestinian state in Gaza-Sinai: The real two-state solution — The MirYam Institute

NSS Working Group member contribution.
www.miryaminstitute.org www.miryaminstitute.org

and

www.cfr.org

Palestine in the Sinai?

More on: Israel Egypt Palestinian Territories Several days ago news reports "revealed" a proposal by Egyptian President Sisi to extend the territory of…
www.cfr.org www.cfr.org

and

warontherocks.com

Expelling Palestinians From Gaza Is Playing With Fire

Among the many risks inherent in the ongoing war in Gaza, perhaps the most dangerous has been the potential for broader escalation involving other
warontherocks.com

and

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Sinai as an alternative to Gaza: Who is funding this? Who is passing the deal?

Egyptian Sinai has returned to the forefront of the conflict between the Palestinian Resistance and the Israeli occupation, with the circulation of plans that include the displacement of the reside…
www.middleeastmonitor.com www.middleeastmonitor.com

and

www.nbcnews.com

A forced exodus from Gaza to Egypt? Israeli ‘concept paper’ fuels outrage

Israel downplayed the proposal that Palestinians in Gaza be transferred to Egypt’s Sinai Desert as a “thinking document” from the country’s Intelligence Ministry.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com


“Israel might make the Palestinians Egypt’s problem, whether Egypt likes it or not.”
 
For the record, Ran Gvili is still unaccounted-for.
If Palestinian Jihadist factions think they can hand-wave it away, while proceeding into "Phase II" of the Gaza Reconstruction, they are mistaken.
Israel is not prepared for another Goldwasser/Regev embroglio.

www.jpost.com

Talik Gvili set to join Benjamin Netanyahu on trip to US | The Jerusalem Post

Walla also learned that Shira, Ran Gvili's sister, was invited by Israeli Consul General in New York, Ofir Akunis, to light the fifth Hanukkah candle at the Consulate General.
www.jpost.com www.jpost.com
 
In regards to the $35-billion LNG supply deal, I looked into the arrangement being worked-out, and it appears that Egypt's leadership is struggling to explain to their people such a close & cozy relationship with the Jews of Israel.
(Egyptians are overwhelmingly not particularly fond of Israeli Jews, especially now with the so-called "genocide" in Gaza ---- many Egyptians would prefer that General el-Sisi go to war again, tearing up their treaty, rather than acquiesce to any Jews)

www.jpost.com

Egypt: Gas deal with Israel is 'purely commercial' | The Jerusalem Post

"The deal serves a strategic interest to enhance Egypt's position as the only regional center for gas trading in the Eastern Mediterranean," official Diaa Rashwan said.
www.jpost.com www.jpost.com

Yair Lapid is quoted as saying he wishes Egypt would take a leading role in 'Making Gaza Gaza Again' (MGGA)

Benjamin Netanyahu and President Donald Trump will meet on December 29th.
 
webfusion said:
While the suggestion was floated, and the reaction was predictable -- Rejection --- the fact remains that it's literally impossible to formulate a NewPalestineState primarily because it is based on the premise of them thus needing to abandon the "Palestinian Cause" which is based on the reclamation of ALL ARAB LANDS (i.e. -- Eliminate Israel).

rosaluxna.org

A Palestinian State in North Sinai?

Rosa Luxemburg Stiftung - North Africa Office
rosaluxna.org rosaluxna.org

and

Zionism: The Policy of Transferring Palestinians, from the Origins to the Present Day

www.palestine-studies.org www.palestine-studies.org

and


and

www.miryaminstitute.org

A Palestinian state in Gaza-Sinai: The real two-state solution — The MirYam Institute

NSS Working Group member contribution.
www.miryaminstitute.org www.miryaminstitute.org

and

www.cfr.org

Palestine in the Sinai?

More on: Israel Egypt Palestinian Territories Several days ago news reports "revealed" a proposal by Egyptian President Sisi to extend the territory of…
www.cfr.org www.cfr.org

and

warontherocks.com

Expelling Palestinians From Gaza Is Playing With Fire

Among the many risks inherent in the ongoing war in Gaza, perhaps the most dangerous has been the potential for broader escalation involving other
warontherocks.com

and

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Sinai as an alternative to Gaza: Who is funding this? Who is passing the deal?

Egyptian Sinai has returned to the forefront of the conflict between the Palestinian Resistance and the Israeli occupation, with the circulation of plans that include the displacement of the reside…
www.middleeastmonitor.com www.middleeastmonitor.com

and

www.nbcnews.com

A forced exodus from Gaza to Egypt? Israeli ‘concept paper’ fuels outrage

Israel downplayed the proposal that Palestinians in Gaza be transferred to Egypt’s Sinai Desert as a “thinking document” from the country’s Intelligence Ministry.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com


“Israel might make the Palestinians Egypt’s problem, whether Egypt likes it or not.”
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Exactly. Hamas and any other body which purports to represent Palestine will accept nothing other than the elimination of Israel. It’s a very simple fact.
 
An Israeli military bulldozer deliberately ran over a wounded Palestinian child, cutting his body in half while he was still alive, after shooting him and preventing medical aid from reaching him. This premeditated killing reflects extreme brutality and forms part of Israel’s ongoing pattern of targeting Palestinian civilians as a national group
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euromedmonitor.org

Israeli bulldozer crushing of a wounded child exemplifies horrific killing pattern in Gaza

The Israeli army’s practice of running over Palestinians is not an isolated incident but one of the most brutal forms of deliberate killing
euromedmonitor.org euromedmonitor.org
Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor’s field team documented the injury of 16-year-old Zaher Nasser Shamia from Jabalia camp in the northern Gaza Strip by Israeli forces on Wednesday afternoon, 10 December 2025. The wounded child lay bleeding, with no one able to reach him due to continuous gunfire. Minutes later, a military bulldozer advanced towards him and deliberately ran him over while he was still alive on the ground, splitting his body in two and tearing it into pieces.
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"16-year-old Zaher Nasser Shamia" --- He entered an active live-fire combat zone.
From all appearances, his presence could have been easily construed to be a HAMAS dude (especially at age 16, dressed in his black clothing, he's not considered a child out there at that time, but just another potential threat to the military force advancing.)

Merkava Mk IV tanks and Armored D9's don't stop for anything in their paths. (See: Rachel Corrie)

Right now, they're in a holding stage, dug in, maintaining the integrity of the Yellow Lines.
All movement in their direction is going to be dealt with lethally.

Has two years of war maneuvering not taught these people anything about remaining in areas where there's HAMAS vs. IDF confrontations being a bad idea?


 
webfusion said:
"16-year-old Zaher Nasser Shamia" --- He entered an active live-fire combat zone.
From all appearances, his presence could have been easily construed to be a HAMAS dude (especially at age 16, dressed in his black clothing, he's not considered a child out there at that time, but just another potential threat to the military force advancing.)

Merkava Mk IV tanks and Armored D9's don't stop for anything in their paths. (See: Rachel Corrie)

Right now, they're in a holding stage, dug in, maintaining the integrity of the Yellow Lines.
All movement in their direction is going to be dealt with lethally.

Has two years of war maneuvering not taught these people anything about remaining in areas where there's HAMAS vs. IDF confrontations being a bad idea?
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Create your own facts to excuse war crimes.
1) Invent black clothes
2) Invent the fact that there isn't a cease fire
3) Invent the fact that he had crossed the yellow line.
4) Invent the fact that the IDF hadn't crossed the yellow line line. (Remember the yellow line is beyond the withdrawal line that the IDF are supposed to have withdrawn to, within 'Palestinian Space'; the IDF had crossed the yellow line so were well beyond where they were required to be.)
5) Even if he was an enemy combatant (which he wasn't) the IDF are required to render aid under IHL. They are also required to treat the bodies of dead persons properly.
 
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Ammar Wadi knew he was risking his life when he set out to get a bag of flour for his family from an aid truck near the Zikim crossing into Gaza in June....Wadi is among the dozens of Palestinians whose loved ones say they vanished near Zikim and whose fates remain unknown.....
A CNN investigation now points to the Israeli military bulldozing the bodies of some of those killed near the crossing into shallow, unmarked graves. At other times, their remains were simply left to decompose in the open, unable to be recovered in the militarized area.

The practice of mishandling bodies by bulldozing them into unmarked graves can violate international law, according to legal experts. CNN’s review, which also found that aid seekers were killed by indiscriminate Israeli fire near the crossing, drew upon hundreds of videos and photos from around Zikim, along with interviews of eyewitnesses and local aid truck drivers. CNN spoke with two former Israeli military members who described instances elsewhere in Gaza during the war in which the bodies of Palestinians were bulldozed into shallow graves.
According to international law, the warring sides should cooperate in burying the dead in a way that allows them to be identified, said Janina Dill, co-director of the Oxford Institute for Ethics, Law and Armed Conflict.

“The purpose is to prevent the dead from becoming the missing and to allow for memorialization, chiefly by their families,” Dill said. “Moreover, if bodies are deliberately mutilated or mishandled in a way that violates their dignity, this can amount to ‘outrages upon personal dignity’ which is a war crime under the Geneva Conventions.”

Whether the IDF tracks sites where it has allegedly buried bodies remains an open question, however. One of the IDF whistleblowers told CNN that when his unit buried nine people in early 2024, the location of the grave was left unmarked.
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The question is when will the IDF return the bodies of the hundreds of Palestinians they have concealed in unmarked graves?
 
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