Mass shooting at Bondi Beach

[arthwollipot]

For me, a major tell is that the people who say they're talking about Israel, not Jews, are also not talking about Hamas.

Here's a hint: Talking about Israel is not the same as talking about Jews, and talking about Hamas is not the same as talking about Palestinians.

 

[theprestige]

Here's a hint: Talking about Israel is not the same as talking about Jews, and talking about Hamas is not the same as talking about Palestinians.

You missed my point, which is that over and over again we see the same pattern: People demanding that Israel* shoulder the burden of Hamas's moral failures. We saw the same pattern here in this thread. Islamofascist terrorists commit mass murder of Jews in Australia, and the first thing some Australians do is try to blame Israel* for instigating the violence. It's always this one-way street: All terrorist roads lead directly to Tel Aviv. Never to Gaza. Never to Tehran.

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*Coincidentally the Jewish homeland.

 

[arthwollipot]

All terrorist roads lead directly to Tel Aviv. Never to Gaza. Never to Tehran.

Has anybody in this thread or any other said that Hamas or Hezbollah weren't terrorists?

 

[Emily's Cat]

Has anybody in this thread or any other said that Hamas or Hezbollah weren't terrorists?

Why do you think this makes a difference? Plenty of people seem quite keen on blaming islamic terrorism in "israel" without ever mentioning hamas or hezbollah.

 

[novaphile]

Why do you think this makes a difference? Plenty of people seem quite keen on blaming islamic terrorism in "israel" without ever mentioning hamas or hezbollah.

I note that the 'Poor Palestine' brigade are also remarkably quiet about:

Since 2001, Palestinian militants have launched tens of thousands of rocket and mortar attacks on Israel from the Gaza Strip as part of the continuing Israeli–Palestinian conflict. The attacks, widely condemned for targeting civilians, have been described as terrorism by the United Nations, the European Union, and Israeli officials, and are defined as war crimes by human rights groups Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[theprestige]

Has anybody in this thread or any other said that Hamas or Hezbollah weren't terrorists?

Lots of people pay lip service to the idea that terrorism is bad, especially when called out on the subject. But we know it's lip service because all of their rhetoric focuses on the perfidy of the victims of terrorism, or the supposed "instigators" of terrorism.

For example, your first contribution to this thread:

What do you think made these two clearly antisemitic people decide to pick up their guns and shoot up a Chanukah festival?


This particular attack absolutely is unique. Nothing on this level has been seen before. Why did they do it? Why did they do it here and why did they do it now? I suspect that we'll never get definitive answers to these questions, but I speculate that it could be retaliation for Israel's actions in Gaza. I have no proof of this, but it would not surprise me if it were true.

Nowhere do you speculate that it could be ISIS indoctrination or Iranian propaganda that "made" these two people carry out a terrorist attack. Your knee-jerk reaction is to speculate that terrorism starts with Israel. Does it ever even cross your mind that Israel might *not* be the root cause of terrorism in the world? Because your rhetoric on this forum suggests that it doesn't.

 

[arthwollipot]

Nowhere do you speculate that it could be ISIS indoctrination or Iranian propaganda that "made" these two people carry out a terrorist attack. Your knee-jerk reaction is to speculate that terrorism starts with Israel. Does it ever even cross your mind that Israel might *not* be the root cause of terrorism in the world? Because your rhetoric on this forum suggests that it doesn't.

Again you are stuck in time, and ignoring the possibility that my thoughts, opinions, and speculations might have changed.

 

[theprestige]

Again you are stuck in time, and ignoring the possibility that my thoughts, opinions, and speculations might have changed.

Since the beginning of this thread? I suppose we'll see.

But why would they have changed? Was there something wrong with your inclination to paint Israel as the instigator of anti-semitic terrorism?

 

[arthwollipot]

But why would they have changed? Was there something wrong with your inclination to paint Israel as the instigator of anti-semitic terrorism?

The fact that the terrorists turned out to be affiliated with IS was a major factor.