mass shooting at So Cal bar

[Thermal]

Maybe (like many terms of speech) It's geographical, here in my area of Canada calling a pistol "automatic" is very common and I hear it quite often, usually to differentiate from a revolver.

Same here, applied to long guns too. Autoloading and automatic used interchangably

 

[Information Analyst]

No. But you should absolutely not be allowed to to handle a firearm while legally intoxicated; be it in public, at home, or at a range, or wherever.

If you're swigging Jack Daniels and handling your guns at home you are wrong.

Cf. Sam Peckinpah.

 

[quadraginta]

I only hear the term "automatic" used in old movies when referring to a semi-auto pistol.

No one I know uses it, and I've never heard anyone use it in real life.

Semi-auto is semi-auto, pistol or rifle.

The loud and long calls to ban the AR-15 and such "assault weapons", and the total silence on "Glocks", by the gun control crowd, continues to mystify me.

One being just as deadly and far easier to conceal and transport, and used in crimes probably 100X more often.

According to NRA spokescretin Dana Loesch, "fully-automatic firearms" have been around since the Revolutionary War period.

 

[lobosrul5]

I only hear the term "automatic" used in old movies when referring to a semi-auto pistol.

No one I know uses it, and I've never heard anyone use it in real life.

Semi-auto is semi-auto, pistol or rifle.

I have a few times. It generally seems unnecessary to say semi-automatic when referring to a pistol, same with a shotgun, since full auto models are so rare. I've seen and heard someone rocking and rolling a full auto rifle a few times at the range here, but I've never seen a machine-pistol. Had a 1911 go full auto on me for the last 3 rounds though. That was somewhat scary.

 

[The Norseman]

Nope, just anticipating some "why didn't the cops stop him before the shooitngs if they knew he had mental problems" posts.

Ah, okay. Seems like the people involved did the right thing; cops were called, mental health dispatched, interviewed and their check didn't warrant his being taken in for a mental health evaluation as possibly being a danger to self and to others.

All this means to me is that the shooter was sane enough to know what he was doing and further checks would not have prevented this occurrence.

 

[Checkmite]

The problem is in evaluating what kind of violence becomes predictive of extreme violence. People are violent to different degrees. Some cap out at kicking the dog. Some slap their kids or spouses around. Some are accused of attempted murder or terroristic threats in their past. So do we treat any sign of violence as a precursor becoming a mass murderer?

Perhaps we should, in a sense. If we took all violent acts seriously as potentially predictive of escalating violent acts in the future, rather than dealing with them as isolated incidents, maybe we could intervene and prevent many of these events.

 

[LTC8K6]

According to NRA spokescretin Dana Loesch, "fully-automatic firearms" have been around since the Revolutionary War period.

Gun Jesus has a much better presentation on the magnificent Puckle Gun.

It's not a machine gun, but it is incredible for it's time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPC7KiYDshw

But machine guns aka assault rifles, are essentially banned in the USA anyway, unless you are rich and/or know someone.

So why are they being talked about in the context of gun control?

Whatever the founders of the country thought, today, machine guns are essentially banned.

 

[LTC8K6]

Maybe (like many terms of speech) It's geographical, here in my area of Canada calling a pistol "automatic" is very common and I hear it quite often, usually to differentiate from a revolver.

What about automatic revolvers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EqkcVlzVSw

 

[Ron Swanson]

What about automatic revolvers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EqkcVlzVSw

LOL I guess not many people know about that unless they are Gun Jesus Fans

 

[lobosrul5]

Gun Jesus has a much better presentation on the magnificent Puckle Gun.

It's not a machine gun, but it is incredible for it's time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPC7KiYDshw

But machine guns aka assault rifles, are essentially banned in the USA anyway, unless you are rich and/or know someone.

So why are they being talked about in the context of gun control?

Whatever the founders of the country thought, today, machine guns are essentially banned.

Da Vinci had some sort of rapid fire contraption, but it was only one shot per barrel IIRC.

 

[Elagabalus]

...The loud and long calls to ban the AR-15 and such "assault weapons", and the total silence on "Glocks", by the gun control crowd, continues to mystify me.

One being just as deadly and far easier to conceal and transport, and used in crimes probably 100X more often.

I'll take a shot at it. I, hereby, call upon California to ban all hand guns.

 

[Stacko]

Perhaps we should, in a sense. If we took all violent acts seriously as potentially predictive of escalating violent acts in the future, rather than dealing with them as isolated incidents, maybe we could intervene and prevent many of these events.

There's also the fact most of these "random" mass shooters when placed in a venn diagram are wholly encompassed in the commits violence against women circle. The types of violence offenders engage in an be predictive.

 

[Checkmite]

There's also the fact most of these "random" mass shooters when placed in a venn diagram are wholly encompassed in the commits violence against women circle. The types of violence offenders engage in an be predictive.

I haven't done any scientific surveys but, that's certainly my impression as well. Probably a combination of ideological and situational reasons, I would expect.

 

[Checkmite]

The shooter apparently made posts on Instagram during the rampage, mocking the people he says will call him insane or who will offer "thoughts and prayers".

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

According to NRA spokescretin Dana Loesch, "fully-automatic firearms" have been around since the Revolutionary War period.

Maybe he was speaking about the revolution in Somalia or something.

Are they really that ignorant about muskets?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Gun Jesus has a much better presentation on the magnificent Puckle Gun.

It's not a machine gun, but it is incredible for it's time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPC7KiYDshw

But machine guns aka assault rifles, are essentially banned in the USA anyway, unless you are rich and/or know someone.

So why are they being talked about in the context of gun control?

Whatever the founders of the country thought, today, machine guns are essentially banned.

OK, so I take that last post back.

How come these were not commonly used in the Revolutionary War?

 

[Information Analyst]

LOL I guess not many people know about that unless they are Gun Jesus Fans

Meh. Even without clicking on the link, I knew exactly which British gun it was (and which YouTube channel it would be!).

 

[Travis]

The shooter apparently made posts on Instagram during the rampage, mocking the people he says will call him insane or who will offer "thoughts and prayers".

Wow. That is brutally self aware.

 

[Trebuchet]

Maybe he was speaking about the revolution in Somalia or something.

Are they really that ignorant about muskets?

Nitpick, because I can't help myself: Dana Loesch is a she. And incredibly stupid.

 

[Border Reiver]

OK, so I take that last post back.

How come these were not commonly used in the Revolutionary War?

High cost, the high level of precision needed to manufacture them, the only place where they were made was in a single gun shop in London (precluding the Continentals from getting parts), and the fact that, on land anyways, a cannon loaded with grapeshot was cheaper, did more damage and could be used to fire solid shot and shell as well.

Fewer than a dozen Puckle guns were made. The British navy and Army knew that they could get far more bang for their pounds by sticking with Brown Besses and regular cannons.