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Mass shooting at Bondi Beach

lionking said:
Says who? Even the biased Guardian article you have relied on doesn’t say that. Including the unnamed “experts”.
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arthwollipot

Post in thread 'Mass shooting at Bondi Beach'

lionking said:
For Christ’s sake, there have been posters in this thread saying the rise in antisemitism (which I am not denying) is directly related to Gaza, which is why I worded the post as I did.
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I didn't pull it out of my arse.

arthwollipot said:
...And you can at least acknowledge that antisemitism has been on the rise since the Gaza attacks.

www.theguardian.com

‘The inevitable has happened’: Bondi beach attack follows rise in antisemitic incidents

Australia recorded 1,654 anti-Jewish incidents in year to September – three times higher than any annual total before Gaza war
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No-one should be saying that it's unrelated.

Here's more...
 
More evidence of the rise in antisemitism since October 7:

www.abc.net.au

How life has changed for one Jewish man in Australia

The rise in antisemitism in Australia since October 7 has reshaped the way Gaby Silver's family lives. After the Bondi attack, they're even more on edge.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

Armed guards have been stationed outside some Jewish institutions in Sydney and Melbourne for decades.

But that presence has been dramatically increased since October 2023, and again since Sunday.

One Jewish leader estimated that in Melbourne only a handful of schools had armed guards before October 7. Now it's more than a dozen.
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www.theguardian.com

‘The inevitable has happened’: Bondi beach attack follows rise in antisemitic incidents

Australia recorded 1,654 anti-Jewish incidents in year to September – three times higher than any annual total before Gaza war
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

But there is no doubt that such trends were intensified dramatically by the conflict in the Middle East.

In the US, the Anti-Defamation League reported 9,354 antisemitic incidents in 2024, the highest since its records began in 1979. For the first time, a majority “contained elements related to Israel or Zionism”.

The Community Safety Trust recorded 4,296 instances of anti-Jewish hate across the UK in 2023 – double the previous year – and the most ever documented. There were 3,528 in 2024, the second-highest annual total.

In Australia, the Executive Council of Australian Jewry (ECAJ) logged 1,654 anti-Jewish incidents in the 12 months to 30 September, about three times higher than any annual total before the war in Gaza. In a report earlier this month, the ECAJ said anti-Jewish racism had left the fringes of society and become part of the mainstream, with “an increasing ideological alignment … between neo-Nazis, the anti-Israel left or Islamists”.

Terrorism experts know that radicalisation does not occur in a vacuum. Such violence remains a social activity, reflecting broader trends. This means even incidents of race hate seen as relatively minor – hateful graffiti, racist insults in the street, and similar – suggest something deeper and more dangerous.
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Islamophobic incidents in Australia ‘skyrocketed’ since Israel’s Gaza war​

Anti-Muslim incidents in person have increased by 150 percent – and by 250 percent online — according to an independent report.
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Islamophobic incidents in Australia ‘skyrocketed’ since Israel’s Gaza war

Anti-Muslim incidents in person have increased by 150% - and by 250% online - according to an independent report.
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The independent report, released on Friday and Malik’s first since assuming the position, said the normalisation of Islamophobia has become so widespread in Australia that many incidents are not even getting reported.

“The reality is that Islamophobia in Australia has been persistent, at times ignored and other times denied, but never fully addressed,” said Malik, appearing alongside Albanese.

“We have seen public abuse, graffiti … we have seen Muslim women and children targeted, not for what they have done, but for who they are and what they wear.”
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Muslim women, particularly those who wear a hijab, are disproportionately targeted. Malik explains that hijabs act as “visual markers of the Islamic faith”, which trigger Islamophobic responses and, therefore, mean that Muslim women are more likely to be targeted. Malik’s report describes several incidents in which women have been spat at, punched, choked and had their hijabs forcibly removed. In his foreword to the report, Usman Khawaja, an Australian international cricketer, recalls an incident where his hijab-wearing mother was verbally abused while attending one of his matches.
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rsis.edu.sg

Australia Confronts a Rising Tide of Islamophobia

SYNOPSIS In a report published in September 2025, Australia’s Special Envoy to Combat Islamophobia, Aftab Malik, reveals that anti-Muslim prejudices have been increasingly prevalent in Australia in recent years. He finds that these issues have been exacerbated by geopolitical events such as 9/11...
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Planigale said:
www.aljazeera.com

Islamophobic incidents in Australia ‘skyrocketed’ since Israel’s Gaza war

Anti-Muslim incidents in person have increased by 150% - and by 250% online - according to an independent report.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com


rsis.edu.sg

Australia Confronts a Rising Tide of Islamophobia

SYNOPSIS In a report published in September 2025, Australia’s Special Envoy to Combat Islamophobia, Aftab Malik, reveals that anti-Muslim prejudices have been increasingly prevalent in Australia in recent years. He finds that these issues have been exacerbated by geopolitical events such as 9/11...
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Which has zero to do with the Bondi attack. Grow up.
 
lionking said:
Which has zero to do with the Bondi attack. Grow up.
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Does it not? Perhaps attacks on them or their families may have radicalised them? There was a muslim presence in Australia before European Christians, yet muslims are made to feel the interlopers.

Understanding drivers to violence does not condone violence; but it may guide actions to minimise violence.
 
Planigale said:
Does it not? Perhaps attacks on them or their families may have radicalised them? There was a muslim presence in Australia before European Christians, yet muslims are made to feel the interlopers.

Understanding drivers to violence does not condone violence; but it may guide actions to minimise violence.
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If “perhaps” is all you have, your post is ridiculous.
 
arthwollipot said:
More evidence of the rise in antisemitism since October 7:

www.abc.net.au

How life has changed for one Jewish man in Australia

The rise in antisemitism in Australia since October 7 has reshaped the way Gaby Silver's family lives. After the Bondi attack, they're even more on edge.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au



www.theguardian.com

‘The inevitable has happened’: Bondi beach attack follows rise in antisemitic incidents

Australia recorded 1,654 anti-Jewish incidents in year to September – three times higher than any annual total before Gaza war
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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What is the relevance of US statistics?

If the majority of the elements of anti-Semitism are related to Israel (a political entity) or Zionism (a political movement) this does not mean they are personal anti-semitic attacks; but that anti-Israeli or anti-zionist comments which may be fair political comment are being labelled as anti-semitic. We know that some argue that any criticism of israel should be regarded as anti-semitic.
 
lionking said:
If “perhaps” is all you have, your post is ridiculous.
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"Perhaps" the Bondi massacre has nothing to do with the rise in antisemitism in Australia since the Oct 7 attacks.

"Perhaps" the synagogue firebombing has nothing to do with the rise in antisemitism in Australia since the Oct 7 attacks.

Ridiculous?
 
smartcooky said:
"Mediated"?

They don't have to target Jews. Islamists consider ANYONE who is not Muslim a target. They tar all of us with the same brush of hatred. While their hatred for the Jews is stronger and more fanatical, don't fool yourself into thinking they don't hate us as well. If you are a Jew, a Christian, a Hindu, or if you are apostate, you have a target on your head. Once Islamists have achieved their stated aim of exterminating every Jew on the planet (from the river to the sea, remember?), they'll get to the rest of us soon enough!

Never forget, you're dealing with people who will murder each other over the length of their beards, the type of fabric in their clothes and the way those clothes are made.
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Islamism
...is a range of religious and political ideological movements that believe that Islam should influence political systems...

Islamists themselves prefer terms such as "Islamic movement", or "Islamic activism" to "Islamism", objecting to the insinuation that Islamism is anything other than Islam renewed and revived... the term "Islamism" has been criticized as having been given connotations of violence, extremism, and violations of human rights, by the Western mass media, leading to Islamophobia and stereotyping.
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Your rhetoric is the kind that leads to extremism like the Christchurch mosque shootings, where a white Australian man killed 51 Muslims and wounded another 89. The shooter cited Anders Behring Breivik and Dylann Roof as inspiration for his actions. Therefore - by your reasoning - all white conservative males consider ANYONE who is not a Christian a target.

Stereotyping doesn't help. The vast majority (like 99.999%) of Islamists do not believe in violence. Tarring them with the same brush as a tiny number of extremists is not only unfair, it's dangerous.
 
theprestige said:
I think it very much is incoherent to say you trust someone to own firearms, but simultaneously do not trust them to own firearms. One man's "stockpile" is another man's collection. Trust is trust. If you don't trust collectors to have gun collections, then you shouldn't be trusting them with any guns at all. It's not really a middle ground kind of thing.
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What's incoherent about it? Collectors collect guns to have many different examples, not to build up an arsenal. A collector who had 10 identical new shoguns would quite rightly be viewed with suspicion. At best it indicates hoarding. There is a huge difference between owning one firearm designed for a particular purpose and a bunch of them.

But trust an American to argue there's no difference. My brother owns a few guns and they are all unique. If I discovered that he had a crate full of new shotguns I would be very concerned - as should the Police - as he has no good reason to do so.

My brother loves guns. He also respects them and hates the thought of the average person having them. A gun shop in Auckland run by ex Americans was importing and promoting assault rifles. They were going to open a local branch and my brother was not happy. The city council wasn't either, and refused to give them a permit. We don't want that mentality here.

Unfortunately it seems one Australian importer had a similar attitude, deliberately importing weapons that should be banned because they could get away with it.

How Bondi shooters gained access to now-banned guns
"The Nioa company is trying to bring into Australia a high-capacity firearm that verges on being a pump-action shotgun," Gun Control Australia chair Samantha Lee said at the time... Nioa disagreed, saying pump-action shotguns fired "at about twice the rate, at least, of the lever-action shotgun".

Importers hoped the gun would be classified as a Category A or B firearm, alongside low-capacity shotguns.

Following a national controversy over the issue, lever-action shotguns were put into Category B, but only if they were limited to a five-shot capacity. The eight-round-capacity guns Nioa initially wanted to import were put into the tightly restricted Category D.
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lionking said:
If “perhaps” is all you have, your post is ridiculous.
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It's a rhetorical 'perhaps'. Obviously it has, and denying it is silly. Perhaps even worse than silly. Denying the existence of Islamophobia makes the victims more likely to lash out. On the other side Zionists never let us forget that any criticism of Israel is tantamount to calling for another Holocaust (never mind that many Jews both outside and inside Israel are also criticizing the Israeli government), which only makes it worse.

The sad part is that all the bloodshed could have been avoided if only Jews hadn't made it their mission to recreate the state of Israel, with no thought as to how it would affect the existing occupants. They weren't afraid to murder people to make that happen either. Now they get upset when the inevitable backlash occurs. Antisemitism is on the rise globally because the Zionists provoked it.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
The sad part is that all the bloodshed could have been avoided if only Jews hadn't made it their mission to recreate the state of Israel, with no thought as to how it would affect the existing occupants.
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Ahh yes. The universal catch-cry of Nazis in 1930s Germany, and of anti-Semites everywhere else since.... blame everything on the Jews .. its all their fault.

It be a good time remind you that Islam didn't ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ well exist until 610 AD when the Prophet Muhammad had his visions from the Angel Gabriel in some caves. Meanwhile, the Jewish peoples lived throughout the Holy Land, including the area of Palestine, for at least a few thousand years before that... so that gives Jewish people the prior claim.
 
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