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mass shooting at So Cal bar

Thermal said:
Just as sober as the post you lectured me about :rolleyes:
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I'll try to explain this in a way that might be clear to you.

A person carrying a gun legally into a bar is not magically resistant to having compromised judgment due to alcohol consumption and starting a fight by shooting someone.
 
Checkmite said:
I'll try to explain this in a way that might be clear to you.

A person carrying a gun legally into a bar is not magically resistant to having compromised judgment due to alcohol consumption and starting a fight by shooting someone.
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I'll try to explain it for you as clearly as possible:

The post you are referring to was a tongue in cheek response to poster Cain. Cain. The part of the quote you took the time to snip out was equally facetious. That's because we all know guns and drinky-poos don't mix.
 
There's a big surprise. The perpetrator's high school track coach says he sexually assaulted her and she threw him off the track team for it, but was pressured by the school to reverse herself and not report the incident so as not to "ruin his future career" in the military.

And although she never would have predicted this, Colell says she doesn’t believe this is just a case of PTSD. She says Long had issues long before he was ever a Marine.

“There are hundreds of thousands of people with PTSD,” said Colell. “They don’t go around shooting people. This kid was mentally disturbed in high school. There were signs and the administration knew it.”
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AJM8125 said:
No, but you can disarm them.
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Maybe in California, but not in other states where people actually have a right to due process. Disarming people is a violation of natural law. Do we really want to replace a state of nature with civilization? Do we really want a neutral(ish), democratically elected third party (i.e., government) to have a monopoly on violence? It took the popo more than three trillion ns to arrive on the scene. I could pull one of my guns in a fraction of that time.
 
Cain said:
Maybe in California, but not in other states where people actually have a right to due process. Disarming people is a violation of natural law. Do we really want to replace a state of nature with civilization? Do we really want a neutral(ish), democratically elected third party (i.e., government) to have a monopoly on violence? It took the popo more than three trillion ns to arrive on the scene. I could pull one of my guns in a fraction of that time.
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To right. Heaven forbid the day that we stop the mentally ill the right to build an arsenal. Crazy idea.
 
Thermal said:
You would think a bar is where you'd likely be attacked and need a gun to protect yourself. Maybe pool sticks will get replaced with pool noodles and glass beer bottles with sippy cups, too.
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Many UK nightclubs already use plastic bottles and "glasses." Really cuts down the number of people getting "glassed," which can obviously result in horrific injuries.
 
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dudalb said:
Don't laugh. There are ways of turning a automatic pistol into a de facto sub machine gun. We know the shooter had a illegal extended magazine, which is one of basics for turning a automatic pistol into a SMG.
BTW when referring to handguns, the term automatic is what is called "Semi Automatic" in long guns....don't ask me why.....
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I only hear the term "automatic" used in old movies when referring to a semi-auto pistol.

No one I know uses it, and I've never heard anyone use it in real life.

Semi-auto is semi-auto, pistol or rifle.

The loud and long calls to ban the AR-15 and such "assault weapons", and the total silence on "Glocks", by the gun control crowd, continues to mystify me.

One being just as deadly and far easier to conceal and transport, and used in crimes probably 100X more often.
 
LTC8K6 said:
I only hear the term "automatic" used in old movies when referring to a semi-auto pistol.

No one I know uses it, and I've never heard anyone use it in real life.

Semi-auto is semi-auto, pistol or rifle.

The loud and long calls to ban the AR-15 and such "assault weapons", and the total silence on "Glocks", by the gun control crowd, continues to mystify me.

One being just as deadly and far easier to conceal and transport, and used in crimes probably 100X more often.
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It's typically about 'why would you need AR'. You can argue that Glock is self-defense gun. ARs are low hanging fruit.
I certainly fear Glocks more. I see guy with AR, I know something's off. Glocks are carried by everyone and their moms.
 
Checkmite said:
There's a big surprise. The perpetrator's high school track coach says he sexually assaulted her and she threw him off the track team for it, but was pressured by the school to reverse herself and not report the incident so as not to "ruin his future career" in the military.
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When will "most shooters have histories of abusing women" become part of the national conversation? It's true, it's important and it could save lives.
 
Stacko said:
When will "most shooters have histories of abusing women" become part of the national conversation? It's true, it's important and it could save lives.
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Well, yeah, but isn't the likelihood that mass murderers are violent people with violent histories kind of a given?

The problem is in evaluating what kind of violence becomes predictive of extreme violence. People are violent to different degrees. Some cap out at kicking the dog. Some slap their kids or spouses around. Some are accused of attempted murder or terroristic threats in their past. So do we treat any sign of violence as a precursor becoming a mass murderer?
 
Again when even the NRA is officially as policy against guns being carried in establishments that serve alcohol, I think we can take it off the table as a discussion we have to have.

"No one thinks that people should go into a nightclub drinking and carrying firearms. That defies common sense. It also defies the law." - Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's top lobbyist, CEO and Vice Executive Officer and arguably the most "Gun Rights" person in America.

When Wayne goddamn LaPierre passes up a chance to go gun crazy over something, the debate is settled.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nra-officials-people-drinking-clubs-shouldnt-armed/story?id=39963267
 
Cain said:
What next? Gun-owners shouldn't be allowed to drink at home?
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Reminds me of a policy at a hunting camp my father in law went to every year ... the lock from the liquor cabinet ... went on the gun cabinet before anyone stared drinking :)
 
Thermal said:
You would think a bar is where you'd likely be attacked and need a gun to protect yourself. Maybe pool sticks will get replaced with pool noodles and glass beer bottles with sippy cups, too.
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(Well plastic cups), is the policy at a couple clubs I've been too ... to avoid broken glass on the dance floor.
 
Cain said:
What next? Gun-owners shouldn't be allowed to drink at home?
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No. But you should absolutely not be allowed to to handle a firearm while legally intoxicated; be it in public, at home, or at a range, or wherever.

If you're swigging Jack Daniels and handling your guns at home you are wrong.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
No. But a you should absolutely not be allowed to to handle a firearm while legally intoxicated; be it in public, at home, or at a range, or wherever.

If you're swigging Jack Daniels and handling your guns at home you are wrong.
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Rest assured that "intoxicated while armed at home" is a common element of many a police response. Bud light has been putting the "domestic" into domestic violence for decades.
 
LTC8K6 said:
I only hear the term "automatic" used in old movies when referring to a semi-auto pistol.

No one I know uses it, and I've never heard anyone use it in real life.

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Maybe (like many terms of speech) It's geographical, here in my area of Canada calling a pistol "automatic" is very common and I hear it quite often, usually to differentiate from a revolver.
 
Ron Swanson said:
Maybe (like many terms of speech) It's geographical, here in my area of Canada calling a pistol "automatic" is very common and I hear it quite often, usually to differentiate from a revolver.
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It's a bit of an older naming convention differentiating auto-loading pistols from manual repeaters (revolvers). Obsolete conventions are common in some older-style target shooting that have a long history predating the technology. Given that fully automatic pistols are pretty rare in general, it's usually not that confusing.
 
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