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mass shooting at So Cal bar

LTC8K6 said:
I doubt the crime scene has been fully examined yet, plus the police may have fired shots.
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Just speculating on how a preliminary count could be quickly established. One weapon, one empty ten round mag on floor and a ten round mag in the gun with one round still in it and one chambered would presumably be 18 rounds shot.
 
bonzombiekitty said:
TBH - my initial thought when I heard the news of the shooting was that it was a white supremacist upset with the election. When I heard a white male with tattoos, that seemed to bolster my thoughts. But it turns out he was a marine. So that would explain the presence of tattoos (yes, anyone can have tattoos, but for it to have been noted in the report as being heavily tattooed, I expect more than just your normal tattoo).

Not that he can't have been a marine and white supremacists. But, now I'm leaning more towards a marine with PTSD issues.
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A country-western bar would be an odd choice for a white supremacist.

There are a few western-ish places I've known that were popular with some hispanic people, but the clientele of your average country-western bar is going to trend pretty white, pretty conservative as well. (There are photos already from the scene, one shows a young man comforting a friend - the man is wearing a "Reagan-Bush" t-shirt.)
 
CNN said:
Authorities found the gunman dead inside an office adjacent to the bar's entryway, Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean said. "We believe he shot himself."

The gunman used a Glock 21 .45-caliber handgun designed to hold 10 rounds plus one in the chamber, but the gun had an extended magazine, the sheriff said. Investigators didn't immediately know how many rounds the magazine could hold, he said...

Investigators believe Long arrived Wednesday night at the bar in a car, shot a security guard who was standing outside and then stepped inside. It appears that Long then shot other security workers and employees inside and opened fire further inside the club, Dean said.

Law enforcement had several previous contacts with Long, including in April, when officers were called to a disturbance at his home, the sheriff said.

"He was somewhat irate, acting a little irrationally," Dean said. Mental health specialists talked to him and didn't feel he qualified to be detained under the state's "5150" mental health detention law, Dean said.

Long also had been a victim of battery at a different Thousand Oaks bar in January 2015, the sheriff said...
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CNN said:
At least 10 to 15 others were injured, Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean said.
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That's even more bullets. He must have reloaded magazines numerous times.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/us/thousands-oaks-california-bar-shooting/index.html
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
With training, the time to swap magazines becomes negligible.
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Assuming you don't care about the magazine you are dropping a few hours on the range and most people can get it down to only a few seconds from the gun running dry to pulling a fresh mag from a belt or holster pocket, loading it, and making the gun ready to fire again.

Just to be able to pretty touch a pistol in the military you have to be able to pull your pistol from the holster, fire two shots, reload, make ready, and fire two more shots in 10 seconds and at least have those shots hit something vaguely near the target.

And the M9 is clunky chunk of metal compared to Glocks. I hate the M9 cause I've got smaller hands.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Standard military FMJ/hardball will do that, but anything soft nosed or hollow point probably won't.

Being a Marine, he might have used FMJ.
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This was my thought as well. Part of the reason a .45 does so much damage is it's a relatively slow-moving round with a wide diameter; it tends to dump all it's energy into the first thing hit. Doesn't penetrate well, but does tend to mess up whatever it impacts first.
 
LTC8K6 said:
That's probably why more aren't dead.
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Sadly that doesn't seem to be the case. Gunman was reportedly found in a side room close to the entrance, apparently with a single self-inflicted GSW. I anticipate the reason there's not more dead is because the gunman came to the end of his ammunition.
 
Checkmite said:
Sadly that doesn't seem to be the case. Gunman was reportedly found in a side room close to the entrance, apparently with a single self-inflicted GSW. I anticipate the reason there's not more dead is because the gunman came to the end of his ammunition.
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Why would he not carry a couple more mags? I can fit a lot of G21 mags just in the pockets of my blue jeans.

There were apparently 6 off duty cops in the bar.

What they did we don't know yet.

They should not have been carrying while drinking in a bar, though.
 
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