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Mass Shooting on the Las Vegas strip

quadraginta said:
Without any connection to political or military goals it fails the primary test of the common understanding of terrorism.

So, just senseless slaughter.
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The secret plotting and planning can be fulfillment on its own. And then some actually execute those plans. I think the pilot of MH370 had similar motives.
 
Sherkeu said:
The secret plotting and planning can be fulfillment on its own. And then some actually execute those plans. I think the pilot of MH370 had similar motives.
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Maybe so, but the word "terrorism" has meaning. Without the clear and public motivation of political or military goals that meaning is not fulfilled.

No such motive is known (yet, at least) for the Las Vegas slaughter or whatever may have happened to MH370.
 
quadraginta said:
Maybe so, but the word "terrorism" has meaning. Without the clear and public motivation of political or military goals that meaning is not fulfilled.

No such motive is known (yet, at least) for the Las Vegas slaughter or whatever may have happened to MH370.
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I agree. I don't think either one is terrorism. They aren't doing it for anyone's goal but their own.
 
Could you two slightly reword it a couple more times, while agreeing with each other... I don't think I've caught the gist just yet. :D
 
Jim_MDP said:
Could you two slightly reword it a couple more times, while agreeing with each other... I don't think I've caught the gist just yet. :D
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I think you don't get what they are saying because it could be said in different ways but still mean the same thing. Maybe you could try to rewrite what they are vehemently agreeing about in your own words to clarify.
 
Dr. Keith said:
I think you don't get what they are saying because it could be said in different ways but still mean the same thing. Maybe you could try to rewrite what they are vehemently agreeing about in your own words to clarify.
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What they are saying is essentially the same, but they are using different words.
 
Destroy the guns or sell them to raise money?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/us/las-vegas-shooting-guns-donation.html

In the aftermath of the 2017 shooting, loved ones of the 58 people who lost their lives in the rampage faced a difficult choice over what to do with the 50 guns and accessories that were owned by the gunman, Stephen Paddock. They could possibly sell the weapons to raise money or have the guns destroyed in a symbolic renunciation of violence.

Now the families don’t have to worry about making that decision — the donor, who wishes to remain anonymous, has stepped in to cover the funds. His only condition is that the guns are destroyed.
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There is really nothing to be gained by destroying legal to possess guns. The bump stocks will have to be removed.

The collection of firearms and equipment was valued at $62,340 in a recent inventory of Mr. Paddock’s nearly $1.4 million estate by a court-appointed special administrator. As Mr. Paddock died without a will, his mother, under Nevada law, became the heir to his assets, which she agreed to give to the families of the dead victims last March.
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That is an ugly way to become an heir to an estate.

If the gunman’s estate were to be divided up equally, each of the 58 families would receive about $24,000 — with the firearms accounting for close to $1,100 per family. The estate also includes an investment property worth a little more than $90,000 and bank and brokerage accounts totaling $455,758.
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One family, who intends to sue the manufacturers of the guns used in the shooting, would like to see those weapons kept in tact rather than destroyed.
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I suspect that this family will be wasting their time and money like the shooting victims in Aurora did.
 
If those guns were sold as being from the "Stephen Paddock Collection" they would bring a premium. Much more so if the ones used in the shooting were identified. Memorabilia related to famous criminal killers is something that some people will pay a lot a money for.
 
dudalb said:
Might have to place this one in the "Often there is no real explaining insanity" department.
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He was just a school shooter with grey hair and an enlarged prostate.

A late-bloomer, if you will.

I sometimes have to remind myself that a subset of the population is really shallow and that a subset of that subset is misanthropic and sociopathic.
 
William Parcher said:
If those guns were sold as being from the "Stephen Paddock Collection" they would bring a premium. Much more so if the ones used in the shooting were identified. Memorabilia related to famous criminal killers is something that some people will pay a lot a money for.
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Which is another argument to destroy them.
 
William Parcher said:
If those guns were sold as being from the "Stephen Paddock Collection" they would bring a premium. Much more so if the ones used in the shooting were identified. Memorabilia related to famous criminal killers is something that some people will pay a lot a money for.
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I wonder if a firearm used in a crime and collected as evidence ever made it back into the public?
 
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LTC8K6 said:
I wonder if a firearm used in a crime and collected as evidence ever made it back into the public?
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Police department policies differ. In WA the police are allowed to sell the guns to raise funds.
 
William Parcher said:
If those guns were sold as being from the "Stephen Paddock Collection" they would bring a premium. Much more so if the ones used in the shooting were identified. Memorabilia related to famous criminal killers is something that some people will pay a lot a money for.
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This is a new one for me.

For some reason, which is purely vague memory, I thought I read somewhere weapons used in mass shootings in the US were destroyed after a while.
 
There is no federal law that says crime weapons must be destroyed. For example Oswald's Carcano is still around as is the handgun Ruby used to kill Oswald.
 
Vegas police fire officer who hesitated during mass shooting

https://news.yahoo.com/las-vegas-police-fire-officer-044941448.html
Hendrex, the trainee and three Mandalay Bay security officers ran toward an elevator and got off on the 31st floor of the hotel, a floor below where they believed the gunman was firing. Body camera video showed Hendrex leading the group down a hallway before they hear the first of at least five separate volleys of gunfire in a three-minute span.

"That's rapid fire," Hendrex says while shouting an expletive.

The group stops and Hendrex uses his radio to tell dispatchers he can hear the gunfire coming from above them.

After they are advised to take cover from what seemed to be automatic gunfire, the group stands in the hallway for about five minutes before Hendrex leads them halfway up a stairwell to the 32nd floor. They remain there for at least 15 minutes, when the video clip ends.
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