Mass shooting at Bondi Beach

[Norman Alexander]

It has been reported that the guns were perfectly legal and registered to the father. If so, something has badly gone wrong. These guys were not farmers to start with.

Agreed. Something has gone wrong there with the licensing process.

 

[EHocking]

It has been reported that the guns were perfectly legal and registered to the father. If so, something has badly gone wrong. These guys were not farmers to start with.

(years old anecdote) I've used a semi-automatic shotgun at a gun club when having intro lessons to clay pigeon shooting.

So perhaps the guns were legal for members of a shooting/gun club. Also why they could have been stored, along with ammunition, in their home (my mates stores theirs at the club for family member safety).

 

[angrysoba]

I do understand your outrage. I'm outraged as well. I despise all violence, and my outrage on this one is exactly 0.02857% of the outrage I feel at Gazans being massacred.

Try looking at your own words like this:

I am perfectly aware of the fact that everything and anything will be used to excuse, justify, banalise or minimise atrocities in Gaza, using the despicable practice of hiding them by more or less openly calling them justified retaliation.

I've been seeing that for two years now, so it works for me.



Srsly? Trying to be clever fails the sniff test.

The people at Bondi almost certainly did nothing to deserve their fate, although I'm sure many of them were ardent supporters of the genocide. I can't say I've met a single Jew or Israeli yet who's prepared to criticise the action. I know they're out there, but I definitely haven't seen them personally.

The mere fact that antisemitic attacks have increased and the equally-obvious fact that some people would equate Judaism with the actions of the corrupt criminal, Netanyahu - and his thugs in the Knesset - might have given them the expectation that something like this could happen. And don't try for a second to suggest that Netanyahu and those thugs didn't know this would be an outcome or give a single damn that it would. They'll be safe under their Iron Dome.

I'm picking the parents of kids who died at Sandy Hook, Parkland and Brown didn't expect it either, but such is the world we live in.

Reason, not justification.


Acknowledged. This particular antisemitic terrorist attack is unique in Australia's recent history. And you can at least acknowledge that antisemitism has been on the rise since the Gaza attacks.

‘The inevitable has happened’: Bondi beach attack follows rise in antisemitic incidents

Australia recorded 1,654 anti-Jewish incidents in year to September – three times higher than any annual total before Gaza war

www.theguardian.com

This is bad. Both of you.

Think through your logic.

If someone were to go and attack a mosque citing the shooting as a reason, would you be saying things like "I am just stating the reason, not the justification" and "you will reap what you sow"?

 

[a_unique_person]

This is bad. Both of you.

Think through your logic.

If someone were to go and attack a mosque citing the shooting as a reason, would you be saying things like "I am just stating the reason, not the justification" and "you will reap what you sow"?

Is motive a better word? They use it in courts without creating controversy.

 

[The Fool]

Just watched Netanyahu gobbing off blaming Australia’s government for doing nothing about anti-semitism and being responsible for this appalling event.

Lucky we don’t pay much attention to the opinions of corrupt war criminals.

 

[Planigale]

That's right, folks. Let's import all the centuries-long horrific antagonism from the Middle East to Australia. We haven't had enough tragedies and killings to put us on the world rankings yet. Let's start a kill-a-wog competition scoreboard too. See who can get the most before Christmas!



But seriously... Are we sure the Bondi shooters were members of, or acting on behalf of, Hamas, or as some protest about the Gaza situation? If not, aren't we getting a bit ahead of ourselves here? Because there's plenty of other people in Australia besides a few Arabs who hold particularly violent animus towards Jews in general, including Iranians and Iraqis and Balkans, and a lot of the Aryan white skinhead-type far-right (yep, we do have these ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ pricks here).

Just FYI, I do think this shooting was well organised, despite what the police say. They turned up on the day and time of a large Jewish festival with big bags of ammo and many guns, and they came all the way from the western suburbs to Bondi on a busy day. They picked their spot to shoot from to do the most damage. So it was not a spur-of-the-moment thing.

The names sound most likely to be urdu, likely Pakistani origin or Afghanistan. Though they could be from anywhere as they are pretty generic Muslim names. Most likely Sunni. The previous association with IS is odd. IS seems to have an understanding with Israel, IS units have been on the border with Israel in Syria and effectively protected by Israel as they carried out attacks on Shia / Iranian associated targets. Almost all IS terrorism is against other muslims.

Why is Israel not intervening to counter the Islamic state?

Executive Summary One year has passed since the formation of the US-led international coalition against the militant forces of the so-called Islamic State. While most Arab…

cgsrs.org

Shia groups such as Hizbollah have always been clear their military action is limited to resistance and unlike Sunni groups such as IS they have no intent to globalise their struggle which will remain local.

Most likely this is stochastic terror unrelated to any formal group.

 

[Planigale]

(years old anecdote) I've used a semi-automatic shotgun at a gun club when having intro lessons to clay pigeon shooting.

So perhaps the guns were legal for members of a shooting/gun club. Also why they could have been stored, along with ammunition, in their home (my mates stores theirs at the club for family member safety).

The father was it is reported a member of a gun club.

 

[Planigale]

This was never about what Israel did.

Germany doesn't have to place anti-tank barriers around Christmas markets because of Israel.
Brussels doesn't need to make its public creche figures faceless because of Israel. Israel isn't the problem. Islam is

Please don't repeat anti-Islamic lies. The world is bad enough without repeating black propaganda. What is more worrying is that you have accepted such lies as truth and haven't bothered to fact check. Not a good position on a skeptic site.

The new scene put forward by the German artist Victoria-Maria Geyer was chosen and approved by the local Catholic Church and the City of Brussels. Geyer, a practicing Catholic, said she created the featureless cloth figures in the hope that “every Catholic, regardless of their background or origins can identify themselves” in the Biblical story. Such universalism, however, prompted a backlash.

So done so that the images were not of any particular race, and attempt at inclusivity instead of the exclusivity where the Holy Family are often represented with white European features.

 

[angrysoba]

Dodge!

Post your reply in the appropiate place, and I will respond - and educate you about wars and the reasons they are fought while I'm doing it!!

I've replied to you in the thread you posted your claims about Islamists being leftists. If you don't like it, it's YOUR job to make a new thread.

 

[Klimax]

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ETA mostly the male portion of humans.

"Mostly male"? Are you sure about that bit?

"Prime Minister Anthony Albanese confirmed Naveed Akram first came to ASIO's attention in October 2019 and was under investigation for a period of six months but there was an assessment he posed no ongoing threat."

Boy, did they get that assessment wrong. Ever heard the term "known wolf"? That's what we have here. Again.

Six years is pretty long time. Plenty things can change in-between.

 

[zooterkin]

"Mostly male"? Are you sure about that bit?

Does "almost entirely male" work better for you?

 

[zooterkin]

Pretty sure it's Ahmed Al Ahmad.

Not according to the Grauniad (make of that what you will).

‘It was a matter of conscience’: Ahmed al-Ahmed’s family reveal why he risked his life to disarm alleged Bondi shooter

Family say al-Ahmed ‘doesn’t discriminate’ and would have done anything to save lives during the attack

www.theguardian.com

 

[smartcooky]

From Google AI, so take it with a grain of salt:

IMHO, if at least one of these perps was known as associating with IS, it would be hard to see how anyone in the family would be permitted a firearm license of any category let alone for Cat C or D weapons. So I suggest either these weapons were not licensed, or they were "borrowed" from someone who is.

Mainland Australia has a total coastline of almost 36,000 km. How hard would it be for a private yacht to land a few guns undetected on an unguarded, un-patrolled beach in the dead of night?

 

[Norman Alexander]

Mainland Australia has a total coastline of almost 36,000 km. How hard would it be for a private yacht to land a few guns undetected on an unguarded, un-patrolled beach in the dead of night?

More likely they were Amazon-ordered from the USA.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Fox are on it

Laura Ingraham
@IngrahamAngle
Authorities in Britain couldn't stop the shooters firing in broad daylight for what seemed like an eternity so this man stepped in. Be vigilant.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Still a depressingly large number of MAGA and 2nd amendment types in America saying it's the fault of guns being banned in Australia.

If everyone was armed there wouldn't have been a problem.

 

[smartcooky]

More likely they were Amazon-ordered from the USA.

Yeah, but I'm just pointing out a way you might get guns into Australia with absolutely no-one knowing you have them.

Several years ago, I sailed with half a dozen friends on a privately owned 45ft ketch into Sandy Bay, Hobart - direct from Auckland, and we were docked at the marina a couple of hours before customs showed up. Nobody but us knew we were there - we could easily have put contraband ashore, and no-one would ever have known

 

[smartcooky]

Still a depressingly large number of MAGA and 2nd amendment types in America saying it's the fault of guns being banned in Australia.

If everyone was armed there wouldn't have been a problem.

If everyone was armed, there could have been an even bigger bloodbath.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Upthread the claim that pro Palestine Protesters chanted 'Gas the Jews' after Oct 7th was repeated, this was investigated by the Police and found to be mis-subtitling of poor quality audio. The actual chant was "Where's the Jews?". However other offensive phrases like "◊◊◊◊ the Jews" were said.

NSW police say analysis shows pro-Palestine chant in viral Sydney Opera House video was ‘where’s the Jews?’

Independent expert says with ‘overwhelming certainty’ the phrase was not ‘gas the Jews’, as was widely reported around the world

www.theguardian.com

 

[Klimax]

Does "almost entirely male" work better for you?

No. because neither is correct.