Zoophilia - Should it be banned?

[MontagK505]

I have actually seen it... Kinda by accident, by that I mean I looked up some 70s famous porn actress and clicked videos... And there it was... I was like, "this can't be real" and I just clicked on it. And there she was blowing a massive dog.

I've heard rumors that Linda Lovelace did stuff like that before she did Deep Throat.

 

[William Parcher]

I've heard rumors that Linda Lovelace did stuff like that before she did Deep Throat.

It's a fact.

 

[MontagK505]

I thought about it but then decided not to because some people may not want to go on record as a supporter of legalization of zoophilia. Of course, there is always the other problem that people will vote according to whatever they might consider the "funniest" option, but I generally trust people here to vote according to what they think.

And anyone can reveal which way they voted if they want to.

I have trouble taking this and the dead person thread seriously except for some of the underlying political issues.

 

[angrysoba]

I think this should be OK but only if the animal initiates the relationship. I realize this may take a lot of patience on the humans part, but in the interest of inter species fairness this would be the best way to go.

One could always take a dog out on a date, then it would be okay to tweet things like, "At the restaurant with my bitch" and people would not think the tweeter was some awful boor but actually a sensitive new man. (or woman).

When are you going to start a thread on sex with robots or a thread on anime porn?

Me? Well, I think we should share the burden of these threads. Someone else did incest and another one did necrophilia.

The question about sex with robots (or A.I in general) would be interesting, and a recent BBC article was asking why Japan does not ban anime porn featuring "underaged" characters. For now I have no plans to start a thread on that, but feel free to do so yourself.

 

[William Parcher]

It's not just dogs that try to rape people. Horses, cows, ponies, donkeys and more will sexually abuse people. They don't care about consent.

 

[angrysoba]

I have trouble taking this and the dead person thread seriously except for some of the underlying political issues.

Maybe, but as I see it there do seem to be interesting questions of how we can come to reasonable answers as opposed to "instinctive" or "emotional" answers which we then rationalize.

It's not as if these practices are unheard of, or fictional, or even "wacky".

 

[William Parcher]

Maybe, but as I see it there do seem to be interesting questions of how we can come to reasonable answers as opposed to "instinctive" or "emotional" answers which we then rationalize.

It's not as if these practices are unheard of, or fictional, or even "wacky".

Are you talking about deflated footballs?

 

[MontagK505]

While there is the issue of consent, the most infamous case of relations between man and beast I've heard involves the guy who seduced/encouraged a horse to **** him. I believe he died of a perforated colon. It happens.

There is a similar myth about Catherine the Great.

 

[MontagK505]

Maybe, but as I see it there do seem to be interesting questions of how we can come to reasonable answers as opposed to "instinctive" or "emotional" answers which we then rationalize.

It's not as if these practices are unheard of, or fictional, or even "wacky".

This is the issue that most interests me.

 

[MontagK505]

Some stupid inbred cocker spaniel is humping your leg at the family Thanksgiving table and you realize that you haven't given it consent and you can't even call the police. You holler "No means no!" and 5 minutes later it's doing it again. Stupid dog. Then it moves to another person eating their dressing and cranberries and more humping. That person has to say no also to confirm the non-consent.

Dogs don't give a flying damn about consent when they want to get their rocks off. They should make a law for that one!

A chimp in heat wouldn't care about your consent and unless you have a weapon handy you might not have much to say about it.

 

[Caper]

There is a similar myth about Catherine the Great.

No. It's real. Mr. Hands. An Engineer. I don't know if he seduced the horse. But he was killed by the horse.

 

[Caper]

Here is the case of Mr Hands.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumclaw_horse_sex_case

During a July 2005 sex act, videotaped by a friend, Pinyan suffered a perforated colon from receptive anal intercourse from a stallion and later died of his injuries. The story was reported in The Seattle Times and was one of that paper's most read stories of 2005.[3] It was informally referred to as the "Enumclaw horse sex case".[4] Video footage of Pinyan and a horse was later disseminated through the Internet.[5]

Other factors surrounding the death were apparently that Pinyan, concerned about appearing in a hospital with an unusual internal injury and the effect on his security clearance as an engineer for aerospace company Boeing, had apparently refused his friends' urging to go to the hospital for several hours after being aware he was internally injured.[citation needed] He was anonymously dropped off at the Enumclaw Community Hospital.[11][15] On July 2, 2005, a man asked hospital staff for medical assistance for his companion. Pinyan was found dead in the emergency room. The man who brought Pinyan into the hospital had disappeared by the time hospital staff came to contact him.[11]

Needless to say. It didn't take long after this for bestiality to be banned in that state.

 

[William Parcher]

A chimp in heat wouldn't care about your consent and unless you have a weapon handy you might not have much to say about it.

How would I know if she wants foreplay? I guess I'd better get it right.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

It's my understanding that even in states where sex with animals isn't codified as its own offense, if you are discovered to be using animals for sex you will in all likelihood be charged with animal cruelty.

The authorities looked at that in the Enumclaw case. They wanted to prosecute some of the people who aided and abetted this guy in the act that ultimately killed him, but they could not find a statute under which to bring charges. They could not make a sound legal case that the animals were being harmed or mistreated. That is why the legislature ultimately passed a law against bestiality. It is now a crime in the state of Washington to be sodomized by a horse.

I think 99.999% of us are more than happy to be law-abiding citizens in that regard. Jesus that sounds painful, and how could someone not realize that it is dangerous?

 

[Dessi]

Obviously there is a problem with abuse or with causing animals pain and cruelty that, however hyprocritical we may be given some of our other uses of animals, this may seem like an unnecessary expansion of that.

I've summed up some thoughts on the subject here:

Have you ever actually seen a beastiality community? Do a search for one on Google, you'll get a feel people's motives and how they fetishize it.

People will often keep public diaries filled with their fantasies of mostly an absurd sort like dolphin ***********; sometimes they're personal accounts of a very terrifying sort like chicken ***********, where the animals are too small for safe penetration, so the animals thrash and flail violently, and often die from internal damage.

I got the impression that they aren't really into zoosadism per se, but really view animals as a kinky sex toy. In their universe, some people **** pies, other people **** chickens, what's the difference?

So, yes, I think there is a very strong objection to beastiality not only because its non-consentual, but animals are tangibly and severely harmed or killed in the process.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

See the kind of people I have to live among? Like it's not already bad enough with the cold and the windstorms and having to take a ferry just to get to the grocery store.

Heh. You're talking to someone who lives on Waldron Island. No grocery stores, no ferries. I have to swim.

 

[Caper]

I've summed up some thoughts on the subject here:

So, yes, I think there is a very strong objection to beastiality not only because its non-consentual, but animals are tangibly and severely harmed or killed in the process.

Again. I think this whole non-consent argument is really just a smoke screen... maybe not for you Dessi... But I think for most people it is. People just don't want to admit they find letting a horse mount them is disgusting. What it comes down to is people don't want to use the same arguments homophones use against homosexuality. But they are. Like I said in an earlier thread. We already allow sex acts with animals... It's an industry. Show dogs, life stock, racehorses, endangered animals.... Breeding them, alot of times, involves sexually violating them, either when semen is collected or when the female has a vets arm jammed up in her.... We have no problem with that (ok Dessi might...) It's when someone enjoys it we take exception.

 

[Minoosh]

... I was like, "this can't be real" and I just clicked on it. And there she was blowing a massive dog.

I watched my older brother jerk off a tomcat. Where he learned that, and why he had the impulse, I have no idea. I've also heard that K-9 officers occasionally lend a hand to alleviate sexual tension in police dogs. *I do not know if this is true*

Eskimos 100+ years sometimes had sex with dogs and it was OK as long as they did it in public. (From The Book of the Eskimos).

In the novel Shogun much is made about Japanese attitudes towards sex 400 years ago. They consider tactfully leaving a shipwrecked sea pilot alone with a duck. I can't look it up, there is a dog dozing on my lap who would obviate the need for toilet paper if I gave her the chance. I probably should not leave her alone with my brother.

A couple of jokes: Why are camels called "ships of the desert?" Because they're full of Iraqi seamen. What's the problem having sex with a sheep? You have to run up front to kiss it.

Funny how these anecdotes came immediately to mind! Bestiality seems to be engrained in human culture. Yes, there should be a ban. I don't know how someone could **** a duck without doing serious damage. The animals can't speak up if someone is hurting them. On the other hand if you do your dog, whose going to say anything?

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

Some stupid inbred cocker spaniel is humping your leg at the family Thanksgiving table and you realize that you haven't given it consent and you can't even call the police. You holler "No means no!" and 5 minutes later it's doing it again. Stupid dog. Then it moves to another person eating their dressing and cranberries and more humping. That person has to say no also to confirm the non-consent.

Dogs don't give a flying damn about consent when they want to get their rocks off. They should make a law for that one!

Sure, but you have the option to take the dog out back and shoot him. If the dog belongs to you, and it's a place where it is legal to shoot a gun, you can blow his brains out for humping your leg, and it's perfectly legal.

 

[Caper]

I think 99.999% of us are more than happy to be law-abiding citizens in that regard. Jesus that sounds painful, and how could someone not realize that it is dangerous?

He probably had a low IQ and was semi-retarded... Oh wait he was an engineer.