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Trump's US Threat to Greenland (which belongs to Denmark)

a_unique_person said:
Trump isn't talking about Allies cooperating to improve mutual defence. He's talking about taking over Greenland. That's blackmail at best.
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You haven't been paying attention. Trump has been pushing other NATO members (including Denmark) to increasing their defense spending since his first term. It's been a consistent policy and a consistent message for over 8 years now. If you can't see the connection, you're still chasing the squirrel.
 
Ziggurat said:
You haven't been paying attention. Trump has been pushing other NATO members (including Denmark) to increasing their defense spending since his first term. It's been a consistent policy and a consistent message for over 8 years now. If you can't see the connection, you're still chasing the squirrel.
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◊◊◊◊ that's funny.

How can threatening to take an allies property be anything other than an act of aggression.

The USA has made itself the dominant partner in NATO from its inception. It is the permanent head of military operations. It can negotiate improved investment without unilaterally declaring it will take another countries property.

You call it a negotiation. That's not a negotiation.
 
a_unique_person said:
◊◊◊◊ that's funny.

How can threatening to take an allies property be anything other than an act of aggression.
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Take it however you want to take it, I don't care if you can't see the bigger picture. And I never said you have to like it. But regardless of your opinion of what Trump is doing, he's doing more than just saying he wants Greenland. And that something more isn't actually planning a military conquest.
a_unique_person said:
The USA has made itself the dominant partner in NATO from its inception. It is the permanent head of military operations. It can negotiate improved investment without unilaterally declaring it will take another countries property.

You call it a negotiation. That's not a negotiation.
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It is negotiation. It's not the kind of negotiation you like, but then, Trump isn't trying to please you.
 
Ziggurat said:
Take it however you want to take it, I don't care if you can't see the bigger picture. And I never said you have to like it. But regardless of your opinion of what Trump is doing, he's doing more than just saying he wants Greenland. And that something more isn't actually planning a military conquest.
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You have no ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ idea what Trump is doing because Trump has no ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ idea what he's doing. This is just you slapping lipstick on a pig. Trumpers accusing others of "not see(ing) the bigger picture" is the funniest thing I'll read on the internet today. Trump is burning bridges with allies globally and Trumpers are still acting like he's playing 4D chess.
Ziggurat said:
It is negotiation. It's not the kind of negotiation you like, but then, Trump isn't trying to please you.
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No, it's not. Bullying isn't negotiating. I understand smooth brains need to find a way to rationalize, hell even glorify, the stuff Trump does for some ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ reason, but the world is laughing at you guys, not with you. All this pandering other countries are doing to Trump, it's because they know how ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ pathetic he is, they know how easy it is to manipulate the pentulant man-child with small gifts and bribes. It works. Every. Time. Why? Because Trump is a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ loser. A simple, stupid, loser.
 
Ziggurat said:
Take it however you want to take it, I don't care if you can't see the bigger picture. And I never said you have to like it. But regardless of your opinion of what Trump is doing, he's doing more than just saying he wants Greenland. And that something more isn't actually planning a military conquest.

It is negotiation. It's not the kind of negotiation you like, but then, Trump isn't trying to please you.
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The bigger picture being, whatever Donald does you will support it and lick his ball sack because it upsets the Libs.
 
Ziggurat said:
Take it however you want to take it, I don't care if you can't see the bigger picture. And I never said you have to like it. But regardless of your opinion of what Trump is doing, he's doing more than just saying he wants Greenland. And that something more isn't actually planning a military conquest.

It is negotiation. It's not the kind of negotiation you like, but then, Trump isn't trying to please you.
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I don't know what part of "we have to have it" you don't understand.

www.bbc.com

Trump says US needs Greenland after naming special envoy

Denmark warns Washington to respect its sovereignty, while Greenland says it will decide its own future.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

The idea that Trump is operating at a level a mere mortal like me can't understand is hilarious.
 
Ziggurat said:
You haven't been paying attention. Trump has been pushing other NATO members (including Denmark) to increasing their defense spending since his first term. It's been a consistent policy and a consistent message for over 8 years now. If you can't see the connection, you're still chasing the squirrel.
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Mikkel Vedby Rasmussen, a political science professor at the University of Copenhagen, told Reuters news agency: "This appointment shows that all the money Denmark has invested in Greenland, in the defence of the Arctic, and all the friendly things we have said to the Americans, have had no effect at all."
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It's a negotiation but it's not a negotiation.
 
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Andy_Ross said:
The bigger picture being, whatever Donald does you will support it and lick his ball sack because it upsets the Libs.
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Did I say I supported any of this? No, I did not. Nothing I said has anything to do with whether it's a good idea or a bad idea. The only thing I've been doing is pointing out correctly that he isn't doing what some people seem to think he's doing. You aren't even claiming that I'm wrong.
 
I think that Trump really does not care much about the security of the Arctic, but that he sees Greenland as an opportunity to make America bigger, and place himself as the president that has expanded the U.S. the most ever, especially if he can add Canada too.

By the way, I don't notice much talk of adding Canada any more. Maybe Trump sees Greenland as the easier target.
 
No, I think someone told him once that Russian ballistic missiles would approach over Greenland, so he's obsessed with making sure it's his.
 
steenkh said:
I think that Trump really does not care much about the security of the Arctic, but that he sees Greenland as an opportunity to make America bigger, and place himself as the president that has expanded the U.S. the most ever, especially if he can add Canada too.

By the way, I don't notice much talk of adding Canada any more. Maybe Trump sees Greenland as the easier target.
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Baby steps. Venezuela, Panama, Greenland
 
a_unique_person said:
I don't know what part of "we have to have it" you don't understand.
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The part where you insist on taking everything he says at face value.
a_unique_person said:
The idea that Trump is operating at a level a mere mortal like me can't understand is hilarious.
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That's not the reason you can't understand it. It ISN'T at a particularly high level, but you have blinders on.
 
Ziggurat said:
The part where you insist on taking everything he says at face value.

That's not the reason you can't understand it. It ISN'T at a particularly high level, but you have blinders on.
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The fact that the very notion of the idea doesn't strike you as completely absurd is a concern. It's just as insane as telling Canada they should be the 51st state.
 
Ziggurat said:
You haven't been paying attention. Trump has been pushing other NATO members (including Denmark) to increasing their defense spending since his first term. It's been a consistent policy and a consistent message for over 8 years now. If you can't see the connection, you're still chasing the squirrel.
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It is a confused message, that on one hand suggests Europe needs to spend more to defend itself from a Russian aggressor, that could only invade as far as the eastern end of Ukraine, before it ground to a halt and on the other hand, shows a lot of support and sympathy towards that aggressor. Russia is only a military threat to Europe, with its nuclear weapons. It never could invade, on multiple fronts and capture significant territory and only managed to do so in 1944-5, because of the collapse of the German military, that was fighting on multiple fronts. Even then, it failed to capture Finland. It certainly is not a threat to Greenland.

Europe does not need to spend as much as the US wants it to, on defending itself from the Russians, to defend itself. Even during the height of the Cold War, when it was the Soviet Union, rather than just Russia, an invasion would have ground to a halt in West Germany. It would have been an invasion that played out like the invasion of Ukraine has.

Trump is scared of war and likes to be a peacemaker who should get the Nobel peace prize. He wants Europe to spend more, so it will not have to rely on US help. The only US help Europe needs, is to be able to buy weapons, from the world's largest supplier, a great boost to US GDP, so he should have no concerns there.
 
steenkh said:
I think that Trump really does not care much about the security of the Arctic, but that he sees Greenland as an opportunity to make America bigger, and place himself as the president that has expanded the U.S. the most ever, especially if he can add Canada too.

By the way, I don't notice much talk of adding Canada any more. Maybe Trump sees Greenland as the easier target.
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Trump admires dictators, Putin in particular. He wants to expand the US, as he sees Putin trying to expand Russia.
 
steenkh said:
By the way, I don't notice much talk of adding Canada any more. Maybe Trump sees Greenland as the easier target.
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That was just Trump trolling Justin Trudeau. If the USA wants Canada, they'll simply buy it.

There was a big hew and cry for a while with all this "elbows up" that had people boasting about cancelling their Netflix accounts and engaging in acts of defiance like turning American canned goods in the grocery store upside down but it quickly subsided.
 
Stout said:
That was just Trump trolling Justin Trudeau. If the USA wants Canada, they'll simply buy it.

There was a big hew and cry for a while with all this "elbows up" that had people boasting about cancelling their Netflix accounts and engaging in acts of defiance like turning American canned goods in the grocery store upside down but it quickly subsided.
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Tourist numbers are down and a major whiskey distillery has had to cut production. It's not earth shaking not it's not forgotten.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Why wouldn't you take statements on foreign policy by the President at face value?

Is it supposed to be a guessing game?

Is he an Oracle that has to be interpreted to get meaning from his statements?
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Chances are nearly 100% that all foreign policy decisions and communications emanate from the offices of Trump's admin team, and he personally has no say or ◊◊◊◊◊ to give about them or their contents. He finds out only when he reads the teleprompter at the pressers.
 
steenkh said:
I think that Trump really does not care much about the security of the Arctic, but that he sees Greenland as an opportunity to make America bigger, and place himself as the president that has expanded the U.S. the most ever, especially if he can add Canada too.
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“Manifest Destiny” reborn? Or, hopefully, stillborn?
 
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What's the 4D chess endgame? Europe spends lots more on its defence, so the US can disengage from any concerns of having to defend Europe from Russia? So now Trump has created a new peer adversary in a well-armed and distinctly less-beholden Europe. Does that help? And what of Canada? Assuming 4D chess Trump doesn't really think they want to be absorbed, and doesn't intend that, he's definitely pushing Canada away with his creepy chat-up lines, toward the rest of NATO I suppose. How does that help either?

While it's tempting to imagine there are smart-but-evil people scheming behind Trump's throne and directing his moves, it's far from clear they're playing a coherent game or guiding him in useful directions.
 
Mojo said:
Who takes everything anything this lying piece of ◊◊◊◊ says at face value?
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Fixed it, and why would anyone take it at face value? That's what makes Zigg so entertaining. He's acting as a decoder ring, trying to tell us what Trump is really doing but the problem with that is Trump will change his mind in 10 minutes. Then Zigg will have to move on to phase 2 of being a Trump supporter, the part where no matter what Trump does it was what Trump meant to do all along. Then he'll explain why Trump's new bull ◊◊◊◊ is actually the best!

You know, standard cult stuff.
 
Stout said:
That was just Trump trolling Justin Trudeau. If the USA wants Canada, they'll simply buy it.

There was a big hew and cry for a while with all this "elbows up" that had people boasting about cancelling their Netflix accounts and engaging in acts of defiance like turning American canned goods in the grocery store upside down but it quickly subsided.
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What a load of absolute nonsense. Not a word of this even remotely resembles the actual situation on the ground.
 
Ziggurat said:
Take it however you want to take it, I don't care if you can't see the bigger picture. And I never said you have to like it. But regardless of your opinion of what Trump is doing, he's doing more than just saying he wants Greenland. And that something more isn't actually planning a military conquest.

It is negotiation. It's not the kind of negotiation you like, but then, Trump isn't trying to please you.
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bruto said:
I think if all that were true we'd have a better president. No doubt the aides are incapable but the madness is not artificial. If AI came up with that degree of foolishness I think its operators would turn it off and call for debugging.
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Sorry, but Trump has managed to alienate most of our NATO allies by the stupid way he is dealing with them.
Yes, I agree that the NATO nations have not spent enough on their own defenses, and I am sure one reason is that they though The US would always be around , but I suggest that insults and bullying are not the best ways to handle this.
ANd, forgive me, but The constant attacks on Europe in general we here from Trump's allies, make be beleive that Trump just plain does not like NATO very much.
ANd your total failure to see how Trump is trying to revive Imperalism is obvious. But then you will support anybody in the white House if he has a R after his name.
 
plague311 said:
Fixed it, and why would anyone take it at face value? That's what makes Zigg so entertaining. He's acting as a decoder ring, trying to tell us what Trump is really doing but the problem with that is Trump will change his mind in 10 minutes. Then Zigg will have to move on to phase 2 of being a Trump supporter, the part where no matter what Trump does it was what Trump meant to do all along. Then he'll explain why Trump's new bull ◊◊◊◊ is actually the best!

You know, standard cult stuff.
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Zig and a lot of his Fellow Republicans remind me of the Conseratives in Nazi Germany when Hitler came to power; deep down they did not really like him, though of him as a crude upstart, but nevertheless supported him under the delusion they could somehow come to manage and contorl him. Did not work out well for them.
 
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