It's the old, 'But we are not the enemy. We are not the threat to you. Our enemy is the real threat.'
Theprestige is a big fan of American expansionism but preferably without Trump. A John Bolton would be more to his taste.
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Trump's US Threat to Greenland (which belongs to Denmark)
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Theprestige is a big fan of American expansionism but preferably without Trump. A John Bolton would be more to his taste.
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To be fair Russia is ALSO a threat to Europe. But since the US is quickly morphing into an open Russian asset...
Notice that this is another one of those rifts in the MAGA movement.
I see the same thing in the case of the 'Havana syndrome': Many Republicans would like to go to war with Russia and claim that declassification of documents in the case would prove that Putin microwaved the brains of American diplomats. For the same reason, they want still more investigations into the 'syndrome'. I assume that the AI that generated RFK Jr.'s recent MAHA's report could also generate a number of fake sources showing that the Indies short-tailed crickets were trained by GRU agents.
I think European/NATO attempts to Make Crimea Ukrainian Again are the most serious threat to peace in the region, but that's a discussion for another thread.
I see the same thing in the case of the 'Havana syndrome': Many Republicans would like to go to war with Russia and claim that declassification of documents in the case would prove that Putin microwaved the brains of American diplomats. For the same reason, they want still more investigations into the 'syndrome'. I assume that the AI that generated RFK Jr.'s recent MAHA's report could also generate a number of fake sources showing that the Indies short-tailed crickets were trained by GRU agents.
I think European/NATO attempts to Make Crimea Ukrainian Again are the most serious threat to peace in the region, but that's a discussion for another thread.
Watch: Hegseth suggests Pentagon has 'contingency' plans to take Greenland by force (BBC video, June 12, 2025 - 1:26 min.)
Hegseth testifies Pentagon has "plans for any contingency" when asked about taking over Greenland by force (CBS News, June 12, 2025)
Hegseth testifies Pentagon has "plans for any contingency" when asked about taking over Greenland by force (CBS News, June 12, 2025)
It's fairly obvious that it is his testimony!
European favourability of the USA falls following the return of Donald Trump (YouGov.co.uk, March 4, 2025)
Attitudes in Denmark in particular have become more negative
Seen here first (at 4:34):
Video Of AKWARD MOMENT Between Trump & Dutch Queen LEAKS (Occupy Democrats on YouTube, June 27, 2025 - 5:21 min.)
Attitudes in Denmark in particular have become more negative
At least in Denmark, I think it may have deteriorated further since then.
Seen here first (at 4:34):
Video Of AKWARD MOMENT Between Trump & Dutch Queen LEAKS (Occupy Democrats on YouTube, June 27, 2025 - 5:21 min.)
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All of us Euro-weenies are just intimidated by his awesomeness and overwhelming "Alpha" vibes.
If we weren't such cucks we'd love him as much as the Americans do - and in the polls he sees his approval rating is at 90% and climbing.
Listen, I get that, according to Denmark, Greenland's fate is up to Greenland. I'm just saying, I see the thread title and can't help but think, it really belongs to Greenland. Silly thing, I know, pet peeve on the internet really.
arthwollipot
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Greenland has been a part of the Kingdom of Denmark since 1814. Over the years it has been granted more and more autonomy, but it is still under Danish rule. In fact, the Danish monarchy retains more control over Greenland than the British monarchy retains over Australia.
a_unique_person
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Is Greenland a viable country by itself? It takes in more money than it contributes.
EHocking
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At the moment they seem to be quite dependent on Denmark. Nearly half of their state revenue and 1/4 of their GDP comes from the Danes. They’d have to enter into financial agreements (minerals etc?) with other foreign countries to fence themselves, it seems.
Interesting article here :
The Future of Greenland: Is Greenlandic independence viable?
This voices article explores the niche question of the possibility of Greenlandic independence in the future. Our student contributors have focused on aspects of the issue regarding security, culture and economics.Greenland is perhaps best described as a geopolitical oddity. As one of the last...
www.grimshawclub.org
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Blue Mountain
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The interesting (or scary) part of the poll is it's from November 2024, before Trump took office and started running around like a bull in a china shop.
I'm not sure how you would define the Danish monarchy, but I am pretty sure that King Frederik has no control over Greenland whatsoever. Much the same way that Greenland has been granted more and more autonomy over the years, Danish kings and queens have lost control of The Danish Realm. Control of the Danish Realm is in the hands of Folketinget, i.e. the Danish parliament, and the parliaments of Greenland and the Faroe Islands.
The point of royal families in constitutional monarchies is to represent their respective countries symbolically and only symbolically. They are symbols of nationalism, which only work as such if and because they stay out of politics. As such, they serve to unite people in a country divided by economic, social and political interests.
It becomes most apparent on New Year's Eve when the speeches of two people are broadcast to the nation: the prime minister's and the king's (currently) or queen's (for the past more-than 50 years). Half of the people listening to those speeches (some years a little more, some years a little less) can't stand whoever is prime minister at the time because of his/her politics. But more or less everybody (I'm not one of them) likes the monarch's speech because the monarch stays out of politics, has to stay out of politics, and makes no decisions.
They have something similar in some democracies that aren't monarchies. In Germany, for instance, they have a Bundeskanzler (chancellor) and a Bundespräsident. The former is the head of government, i.e. the prime minister. The latter does what monarchs do in constitutional monarchies: represent the nation but without much actual power:
What is the difference between a chancellor, e.g. German chancellor and a president? (Quora - Daniel Plomp)
In the USA, it is apparent that there is no such symbolic figure uniting the nation. The rift between the class that makes political decisions, i.e. the oligarchs, and the people who are governed by that class has become too big to be bridged by the presidency even though he does represent both sides - in a way: He issues policies that serve the oligarchs, but he presents himself as a 'man of the people,' an enemy of the elites, to his fans, but since the people whose 'man' he is is defined by race and not all white people are old-fashioned racists anymore, it only serves to exacerbate the already existing rift.
King Frederik can go to Greenland and represent The Danish Realm and be accepted by Greenlanders as the representative of The Danish Realm because he doesn't get to make any policy decisions, i.e. because he has no actual control of anything.
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No, not true, but it's easy to overlook, unfortunately:
"Latest data: 5-18 February 2025"
The graphs are based on three polls: Aug 2024, Nov 2024 (post election), and Feb 2025.
By the way, I think that Spain's favorability towards the USA may have fallen even more since February:
DEMONSTRATION ALERT (U.S. Embassy & Consulate in Span and Andorra, June 13, 2025)
The protests are not currently directed against Americans in particular. However, ...
US Buyers Are Leading Foreign Purchasers of Property in Spain (Realty+, April 11, 2025)
'Trump Nightmare' Fuels Record Exodus of Americans to Spain (The Daily Beast, May 15, 2025)
The big U.S. exodus to Spain, Trump blamed (Majorca Daily Bulletin, May 16, 2025)
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arthwollipot
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According to Wikipedia:
That's more control than the UK monarch has over Australia, where all of those portfolios are under the control of the Australian government. That's what I'm saying.
a_unique_person
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One environmental factor could be the harshness and remoteness.Inequalityvs.
I just noticed this:
Life expectancy 1978 --> 2022:
74.39 --> 81.40
I googled "average life span greenland."
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But as Dann said, it's the government that has that control. Not the monarch.
In the same way the Dutch government has control over the Dutch Antilles, but not the monarch.
Unlike the US presidency, which is based upon the powers monarchs had in the late 1700's, our monarchies transferred such powers to the elected government.
theprestige
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All the real power in America is in the senate.
...and by their inaction, they've abdicated it and passed it to this president.
a_unique_person
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Not any more. Trump will 'primary' them. Maga will threaten them and their families.
arthwollipot
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Ah. I acknowledge the distinction.
Blue Mountain
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Oops; missed the italicized part. I'm now corrected.
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If all the real power in the US were in the senate, Trump could not rule by personal whim as he does now.
The *intent* was that any presidential order could be checked by the independent senate.
But as with most so called checks and balances in the US, it turns out this was never fully codified and totally ignored the potential for abuse if the senate was staffed with spineless yes men.
At the moment the US senate functions the same way the Russian democracy (or Turkish, or Venezuelan, or Iranian, or North korean) functions. To approve the actions of the local strongman.
I'm afraid that the environmental factor has very little to do with it.
A similar difference can be found in Denmark itself:
It has only become worse since the '80s: Poor Danes die several years earlier than their wealthier neighbors
The 25% of men with the highest incomes lived 84.2 years on average in 2021, whereas the 25% with the lowest income died when they were 73.9.
So there is a difference of 10 years of life. Back in the late-1980s, the difference was only five years.
You find similar differences in most industrialized countries. You also find similar differences between industrialized and colonized countries when the latter aren't characterized by "harshness and remoteness." (By the way, people in the Faroe Islands, whose culture and level of education is much more similar to the other Nordic countries, live approximately as long as Danes.)
And there is this from the USA:
I very much doubt that Greenlanders would have lived longer if they were still a hunter-gatherer society, but some of the benefits of industrialized countries have negative impacts on indigenous people. Greenlanders tend to smoke and drink more than Danes, and I think they may exercise less. They got a lot more 'exercise' when they were still hunting seals and whales. The change in diets isn't always healthy. Cancer is a big killer in Greenland. (By the way, Danes drink and smoke more than people in the other Nordic countries.)
There are also many suicides in Greenland, in young men, in particular:
The most isolated communities are in East and North Greenland. The fairly big cities like Nuuk are all on the (South) Westcoast of Greenland. In East and North Greenland is where you'll find the hunter-gatherer populations. And they have a lot of guns ...
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Hlafordlaes
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Nothing can save a democracy from the ill will of the people. The guarantor of an informed public, a plural and independent free press, crumbled and crashed to the ground once the Fairness Doctrine was revoked by the FCC under Reagan in 1987. Talk radio went nationwide Nazi the next day. Background article.
The ill will of the people, once nurtured in a manner Goebbels would die for, drove the extreme radicalization of the Republican Party. McCain being forced to take that crazy Alaskan woman on his presidential ticket was the watershed moment. His famous but gentle rebuke of a woman who spoke up in a town hall using extremist anti-Obama propaganda had the opposite effect, and acted to distance the now-crazed electorate from moderate candidates from then on.
Trump knows this and his number one enemy is the press. Today, it is as if his followers had brain worms, as if insects possessed by a parasite and driven to self-destructive behavior. There is no fix in sight except their being utterly shocked into awareness that they are totally screwed, which is happening, but which will not reach critical mass until democracy has already ended, which in my view, it already has. I am convinced the 2026 midterms will return a massive GOP victory, perhaps even a totalitarian 90%+ vote count in favor, regardless of real vote counts.
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Long live Greenland, Canada and Panama.
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psionl0
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I don't know about Denmark specifically but the the powers are still vested in the Monarch. But these powers are only executed on the advice (ie direction) of the PM. Otherwise, the PM doesn't have any actual powers of their own.
I think it works in the same way in Denmark. The monarch signs every law. We have to go back to 1921 when a king decided to execute his powers, and he nearly lost his job. Since then, no monarch has tried his or her luck.
Sorry about that. You are right of course.
Hlafordlaes
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Let's see... Trump's USA, the USA as it is today, has threatened to violate international law and occupy three nations/territories by force in the most bald and disgusting terms, offering no valid justification of any kind.
That same USA is supplying weapons to another settler colonial enterprise in its 75th+ year of constant warfare on civilians, also hellbent on taking land that belongs to others.
The US threat to Greenland is in keeping with the observation that imperialism and ethnocentrism drive American policy, no consideration being now given to international law.
That same USA is supplying weapons to another settler colonial enterprise in its 75th+ year of constant warfare on civilians, also hellbent on taking land that belongs to others.
The US threat to Greenland is in keeping with the observation that imperialism and ethnocentrism drive American policy, no consideration being now given to international law.
Remember Tom Dans, the guy with the company American Daybreak who paid for the dogsled race and apparently financed the conspirators Nuuk?
If you don't, see post 608.
I was watching a Democracy Now! video on YouTube from Aug 6, 2024, Project 2025 Co-Author Lays Out "Radical Agenda" for Next Trump Term in Undercover Video, when a photo of this guy appeared (at 13:50), Paul Dans, and I thought: 'It's amazing how much that guy looks like like Tom Dans, and it turns out that it wasn't a coincidence:
This is how the same Wikipedia page describes Paul Dans's role in Project 2025:
Trump says he only hires the 'best people.' His record suggests otherwise. (MSNBC, Oct 25, 2024)
If you don't, see post 608.
I was watching a Democracy Now! video on YouTube from Aug 6, 2024, Project 2025 Co-Author Lays Out "Radical Agenda" for Next Trump Term in Undercover Video, when a photo of this guy appeared (at 13:50), Paul Dans, and I thought: 'It's amazing how much that guy looks like like Tom Dans, and it turns out that it wasn't a coincidence:
This is how the same Wikipedia page describes Paul Dans's role in Project 2025:
Trump says he only hires the 'best people.' His record suggests otherwise. (MSNBC, Oct 25, 2024)
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Congress isn't even that functional.
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We have a similar rule. After an election the king appoints a party leader to try to form a new government. But there are rules about which order is used to select the party leader (largest number of seats, or something similar, I can’t remember exactly), and it would be highly irregular if a party leader is selected out of order.
psionl0
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Canada is probably like Australia. The GG has fully autonomous powers such as the power to block legislation or to dismiss the cabinet. Of course, if they used these powers against the advice of the PM then you could be pretty sure that the PM would call His Majesty and have the GG removed (unless the GG dismissed the PM as happened controversially in Australia in 1975).
The USA should take over Denmark instead. They would then automatically gain control of Greenland.
Denmark also controls the Baltic Sea, which is very important for stopping Russian terrorism in the area.
Donald Trump cannot suffer from frontal lobe dementia because he has no frontal lobes.
Thats's why he makes Putin great again.
Stop communism.
Denmark also controls the Baltic Sea, which is very important for stopping Russian terrorism in the area.
Donald Trump cannot suffer from frontal lobe dementia because he has no frontal lobes.
Thats's why he makes Putin great again.
Stop communism.
Where does communism enter the picture?