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Trump's US Threat to Greenland (which belongs to Denmark)

steenkh said:
Where does communism enter the picture?
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Besides, taking over Denmark didn't automatically give the Nazis control of Greenland in 1940, but nowadays it might work as a way to distract from the Epstein files for a day or two.
 
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Trump's Fixation With Greenland Has Ended Denmark's Love Affair With the U.S. (Wall Street Journal, July 23, 2025)

Many Danes never shared the infatuation of the Danish government with the USA.

Trump's Threats To Forcibly Take Greenland Have Turned Key Ally Against Us (Farron Balanced on YouTube, July 28, 2025 - 5:42 min.)
It seems like an eternity since Donald Trump was speaking almost daily about his desire to acquire Greenland from Denmark. And while most Americans might have forgotten about this due to the nonstop insanity of the administration, the people of both Greenland and Denmark have not, and they hate us for even having this man as our president to make these threats. Trump has completely destroyed our (!) relationship with the country, as a majority of them now hold unfavorable views of America, and over 40% view us as an active threat to their country. Farron Cousins discusses this.
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I don't think it's true that Trump has destroyed your (!) relationship with Denmark, unfortunately, but it might not be wise to wear a MAGA hat (or a Make-Greenland-Red-White-and-Blue Land hat) if you go to Denmark or Greenland. And even though "a majority of them [Danes and Greenlanders] now hold unfavorable views of America," a majority of Danes and Greenlanders are still able to distinguish between Americans who support Trump and Americans who don't.
In fact, judging by the YouTube comments I think that Trump has managed to create unity in the world (especially among Europeans and Canadians) - against MAGA and everything it represents.

 
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Denmark and Greenland are now enemy countries to be destabilized by the U.S.
From a long article:
Centrale kilder: Mænd med forbindelser til Trump forsøger at infiltrere Grønland (DR.dk, Aug 27, 2025)
Grønland er mål for påvirkningskampagner, der skal slå sprækker i forholdet til Danmark, oplyser Politiets Efterretningstjeneste.
Gaderne er dækket af sne, da en amerikansk mand med tætte bånd til USA’s præsident og Det Hvide Hus lander i Nuuk.
Manden er på en mission: Under sit besøg vil han udarbejde en liste med navne på grønlandske borgere, som støtter præsident Donald Trumps planer om at overtage Grønland.
Listen skal bestå af grønlændere, som amerikaneren vil forsøge at rekruttere til en løsrivelsesbevægelse på tværs af Grønland og Danmark.
Manden er én ud af mindst tre amerikanere med forbindelser til Donald Trump, som udfører hemmelige påvirkningsoperationer i Grønland.
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DR kender navnene på de amerikanske mænd, men har valgt ikke at bringe dem for at beskytte DR’s kilder.
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I Nuuk fik han ifølge en kilde også grønlændere til at udpege sager, der kan bruges til at sætte Danmark i et dårligt lys i amerikanske medier.
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- Det, vi ser, er brugen af blød magt, påvirkning og forsøg på at skabe internt splid, siger en kilde.
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Central sources: Men with tis to Trump are trying to infiltrate Greenland
Greenland is the target of influence campaigns meant to create rifts in the relations with Denmark, according to the Intelligence Organization of the Police.
The streets are covered with snow when an American man with close ties to the President of the USA and the White House lands in Nuuk.
The man is on a mission: During his visit, he will make a list of names of citizens of Greenland who support president Donald Trump's plans to take over Greenland.
The list is to consist of Greenlanders whom the American will try to recruit for a seperatist movemen in both Greenland and Denmark.
The man is one of at least three Americans with ties to Donald Trump who carry out secret influence campaigns in Greenland.
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DR knows the names of the American men but has decided not to make them public to protect DR's sources.
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According to one source,, he got Greenlanders in Nuuk to point out issues that can be used to cast a bad light on Denmark in American media.
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- What we see is the use of soft power, influence and attempts to create internal rifts, according to a source.

I can't imagine that one of those three men isn't Tom Dans. Another one might be his twin brother, Paul Dans (see post 914).
It sounds much like the start of what the USA has been doing in Cuba for the past 65 years.
See also posts 457, 483, 513, 608.

Løkke indkalder amerikansk topdiplomat til samtale om Grønland (Kristeligt-Dagblad.dk, Aug 27, 2025)
Udenrigsministeriet indkalder amerikansk chargé d'affaires til samtale efter historie om forsøg på påvirkning.
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Løkke, Minister of Foreign Affairs, sujmmons American diplomat for a conversation about Greenland
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs summons American chargé d'affaires for a conversation about attempts of influence.

Orla Joelsen hasn't tweeted about it yet. I guess it's still night in Greenland.
 
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Denmark summons US envoy over claims of influence ops in Greenland (DW News on YouTube, Aug 28, 2025 - 16:30 min.)
Denmark's government has summoned America's top diplomat in Copenhagen over reports of US nationals allegedly carrying out "influence operations" on the island. Danish media say at least three US citizens with links to President Trump were attempting to promote Greenland's secession from Denmark and joining the United States. President Trump has repeatedly expressed his desire to take control of the Arctic territory, which is largely autonomous but part of the Kingdom of Denmark.
We got insights from Ulrik Pram Gad from the Danish Institute for International Studies, DW Correspondent Jack Parrock, and Marisol Maddox, senior Arctic fellow at the Institute of Arctic Studies at Dartmouth University.
00:00 US accused of conducting influence ops in Greenland
02:00 Interview Ulrik Pram Gad, Danish Institute for International Studies
07:34 Interview Jack Parrock, DW Correspondent
10:32 Interview Marisol Maddox, Institute of Arctic Studies
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– Looking forward, there is anxiety that that Facebook algorithms etc will be be rigged to promote criticism of the relation to Denmark and favor US stories and narratives.
– This sounds like pretty flagrant behavior. It doesn't sound like spy craft that billionaires are walking around, making lists and giving out money.
This is either clumsy, or the United States doesn't care what people think.

Report says Americans undertook influence operations in Greenland (CBS News on YouTube, Aug 27, 2025 - 7:095min.)
Denmark’s foreign minister has summoned the top U.S. diplomat in Copenhagen following a news report that claims Americans connected to U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration planned covert influence operations in Greenland. The report came from DR, the country's public broadcaster.
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Trump caught red handed in alleged Greenland covert operation (Times Radio on YouTube, Aug 28, 2025 - 16:09 min.)
“The Americans are actually deadly serious that they need, at a minimum, to keep Greenland in their sphere of influence… at the maximum, to make it a part of American territory.”Trump is allegedly trying to cede Greenland from Denmark for its mineral resources, sparking resistance for Greenland “not be part of America”, says The Times’s assistant US editor David Charter.
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Denmark accuses U.S. of covert operations in Greenland (CBS News: The National on YouTube, Aug 28, 2025 - 2:09 min.)
Denmark summoned the top U.S. diplomat in the country to protest what Danish officials say is an unprecedented effort by people close to U.S. President Donald Trump to conduct secret influence operations in Greenland.
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dann said:
It sounds much like the start of what the USA has been doing in Cuba for the past 65 years.
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In that case there's not much to worry about: 65 years on and Cuba's still not part of the US. The only effect of all that is a large Cuban population in the nearest part of the US. So, I guess we can expect Greenlander refugees to head to Maine?
 
TragicMonkey said:
In that case there's not much to worry about: 65 years on and Cuba's still not part of the US. The only effect of all that is a large Cuban population in the nearest part of the US. So, I guess we can expect Greenlander refugees to head to Maine?
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And be deported to El Salvador, or maybe Uganda?
 
TragicMonkey said:
In that case there's not much to worry about: 65 years on and Cuba's still not part of the US. The only effect of all that is a large Cuban population in the nearest part of the US. So, I guess we can expect Greenlander refugees to head to Maine?
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The Florida Cubans are notoriously reactionary voters, due to the massive chip on their shoulder about communist Cuba and wanting to do the opposite of anything Castro-approved. I wonder what weird swerve Maine politics would take if it filled up with a large* number of anti-Greenland Greenlanders.

* Possibly dozens.
 
Orla Joelsen on X, Sep 5, 2025
In an interview with DR News, Denmark’s national broadcasting corporation, former U.S. National Security Adviser John Bolton suggested that Greenland could become a U.S. territory like Puerto Rico—under American control but not a full state.
A message to you, John Bolton:
Greenland 🇬🇱 will never be subjected to the United States – and Greenland will not become a “Puerto Rico 2.”
Greenland is our home. We do not wish to be Americans. We are Greenlanders – Kalaallit.🇬🇱
We welcome cooperation and dialogue, but only on our own terms – with full respect for our culture, our people, and our right to self-determination.
#StandwithGreenland 🇬🇱
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With a short video (1:28 min.) from the interview.

The full interview (in English with subtitles in Danish):
Boltons blik på småstaten Danmark (DR.dk, Sep 3, 2025)
Hvor højt bør alarmklokkerne ringe i Nuuk og København over Trumps interesse for Grønland? Vil amerikanerne komme Ukraine og Europa til undsætning, hvis det bliver nødvendigt? Og hvordan er det - helt personligt - at ligge i åben krig med verdens mest magtfulde mand? Trumps tidligere nationale sikkerhedsrådgiver John Bolton er gæst hos Issa Mahmoud Jeppesen i dagens udgave af Deadline. Udløber: 3. okt 2025
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I don't know if the interview can be accessed outside of Denmark.
 
TragicMonkey said:
In that case there's not much to worry about: 65 years on and Cuba's still not part of the US. The only effect of all that is a large Cuban population in the nearest part of the US. So, I guess we can expect Greenlander refugees to head to Maine?
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A loud minority of revanchists demanding that the USA 'liberate' a country whose government the USA doesn't like has its uses.
One thing is Trump claiming that Greenlanders are victims of a tyrannical European regime. It looks so much better on TV if it's an actual Greenlander like:
Jørgen Boassen (Wikipedia)
We will become an independent state. We are only 56 thousand people, we cannot have everything, and the United States is our closest ally, regardless of who the president is, even if it is not Trump. I'm thinking of an association of some kind, like Puerto Rico
— Boassen to Il Post, 11 March 2025
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Unfortunately for Jørgen Boassen, Greenlanders seem to be well informed about the kind of association 🇵🇷 has with 🇺🇸.

 
Jørgen Boassen (see posts 936, 608, 483, 457,436, 430 & 397):
Charlie Kirks grønlandske ven: “Han havde altid tid til at snakke med mig” (Frihedsbrevet.dk, Sep 11, 2025)
Charlie Kirk's Greenlandic friend: "He always had time to talk with me"

Jørgen Boassen i sorg: - Jeg vidste straks, han ikke ville overleve (Sermitsiaq.ag, Sep 11, 2025)
Da Charlie Kirk sammen med Donald Trump Jr. besøgte Nuuk, stod Jørgen Boassen som vært. Nu reagerer han på tragedien.
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Jørgen Boassen in mourning: - I knew immediately that he wouldn't survive
When Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump Jr. visited Nuuk, Jørgen Boassen was the host. Now he responds to the news.

And an old one:
Forleden fik grønlandske Jørgen Boassen en uventet besked: »Hi Jorgen,« stod der – i dag har han fået en særlig opgave (Berlingske, Jan 7, 2025)
Jørgen Boassen har fået besked på at samle nogle Trump-tilhængere og møde Donald Trump Jr. i lufthavnen.
For tre dage siden fik Jørgen Boassen – en inkarneret Trump-tilhænger fra Nuuk – en besked fra MAGA-profilen Charlie Kirk.
»Han spurgte, om jeg kunne hjælpe med at arrangere noget,« fortæller Jørgen Boassen.
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The other day, Greenlandic Jørgen Boassen got an unexpected message: »Hi Jorgen,« it said - today he got a special assignment
Jørgen Boassen was told to pick up a couple of Trump followers and meet Donald Trump Jr. at the airport.
Three days ago, Jørgen Boassen - a die-hard Trump supporter from Nuuk - got a message from the MAGA celebrity Charlie Kirk.
»He asked me if I could help him arrange something,« Jørgen Boassen says.
 
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Frome another ISF thread:
dann said:
American fighter jets in Greenland - American fighter jets were supported by Denmark when they visited Greenland this week (Forsvaret.dk, Oct 10, 2025)

American fighter jets in the air over Greenland (DR.dk, Oct 10, 2025)
This week, American fighter jets were in the air over Greenland supported by Danish Defense.

If I were a nationalist, I'd be ashamed of this despicable display of cowardice and opportunism. I wonder what the people of Greenland think of it.
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Greenland’s defenses are being bolstered against Russia and China, but the real target is Trump (CNN on YouTube, Oct 24, 2025 - 5:39 min.)
With US President Donald Trump repeatedly expressing his ambition to bring Greenland under US control and Russia and China vying for influence in the Arctic, the world’s largest island has emerged as a key Arctic battleground. CNN’s Chief Global Affairs Correspondent Matthew Chance joined the Danish military in Greenland to observe its biggest ever combat exercise. But while Danish military officials are keen to point out that the drills are intended to deter Moscow and Beijing, the real message is for President Trump – and to convince Washington there is no need to take Greenland as its own.
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Of course, there's a need to take Greenland! Danish politicians really don't understand the psychology of Donald Trump if they think that it's a question of military logistics or the national security of the USA. Trump needs to take Greenland as his own as much as he needs a new gold-plated ballroom.
 
steenkh said:
And as I said in that other thread: what is exceptional about U.S. fighter jets flying from a big U.S. air base that has been there since the 50's?
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Actally before that. Both the US and Britain has air bases in Greenland that were vital to winning the battle of the Atlantic in World War 2.
 
Orla Joelsen on X, Nov 9, 2025
A new podcast episode from The Atlantic, where Greenland 🇬🇱 also comes up in the discussion.
David Frum, who served as a speechwriter for President George W. Bush from 2001 to 2002, talks with Tom Nichols — academic, writer, and national security expert — about whether American officer would obey orders from Trump to invade Greenland.
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With a 2:39-minute-long clip from the podcast.
He finds the whole idea absurd and hopes that American military personnel would object to it, but he is not sure what might happen if Trump ordered an invasion.
 
Orla Joelsen on X, Oct 7, 2025
Jacob Kaarsbo, who formerly served in the Danish Defence Intelligence Service — including as a chief analyst — in an interview on 🇩🇰 TV2 NEWS;
“The new U.S. ambassador is not merely a career diplomat tasked with managing the bilateral relationship with 🇩🇰 Denmark. Howery is personally involved in a project aimed at taking control over Greenland 🇬🇱.
His support for Praxis Nation goes far beyond a token contribution — it is not just a matter of tossing a few coins into a collection box. Together with his business partner Peter Thiel, Howery is among the largest donors, having provided more than 500 million USD to this controversial organization.
This suggests that the ambassador, much like his superior, President Trump, does not recognize Denmark’s territorial integrity.
When Howery speaks of “security in the Arctic,” it is reminiscent of Putin’s references to “peace in 🇺🇦 Ukraine” — a peace maintained under 🇷🇺 Russian dominance. Likewise, “security in the Arctic” implies security under American control.
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I'm not at all impressed by Jacob Kaarsbo's skills as a former intelligence service official - when asked about the 'Havana syndrome', it became clear that he relied 100% on the very flawed 'investigation' conducted by Scott Pelly and 60 Minutes - but he may be right in this case.

There are many replies to Orla Joelsen's tweet, most of them from Canadians, many of them complaining about the U.S. ambassador to Canada.
 
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www.politico.eu

Europe stands with Greenland as Trump threat returns

Donald Trump’s appointment of a special envoy reignites a fight over the Arctic island.
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"Trump’s appointment of Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry as his envoy to Greenland marks another move in his gambit to annex the self-governing Danish territory. The U.S. “has to have Greenland for national security,” Trump said at a press conference on Monday."

This is why Trump is so pro-Putin. He believes in a world ruled by dictators, who can just do what they want.
 
The survival of the world depends on it

Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
I am pleased to announce that I am appointing the GREAT Governor of Louisiana, Jeff Landry, as the United States Special Envoy to Greenland. Jeff understands how essential Greenland is to our National Security, and will strongly advance our Country's Interests for the Safety, Security, and Survival of our Allies, and indeed, the World.

Congratulations Jeff!
 
plague311 said:
I think it's pretty ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ clear that Greenland has no intention on negotiating.
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We aren't actually negotiating with Greenland, which isn't a sovereign nation. We are negotiating with Denmark.

And Denmark may have no intention of giving up Greenland, but that doesn't mean that there's nothing else we would be interested in getting from Denmark in negotiations. Greenland is an opening bid, that doesn't mean that's the only thing Trump would settle for.
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Also, Trump isn't talking about negotiating. He's talking about taking over.
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But what's he actually doing? He's appointing a diplomat. What do diplomats do? They aren't generals. They don't take over. They negotiate.
 
Ziggurat said:
We aren't actually negotiating with Greenland, which isn't a sovereign nation. We are negotiating with Denmark.

And Denmark may have no intention of giving up Greenland, but that doesn't mean that there's nothing else we would be interested in getting from Denmark in negotiations. Greenland is an opening bid, that doesn't mean that's the only thing Trump would settle for.
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No, he'll probably want the Pharaoh Islands as well, with all their pyramids. They have shiny things inside!
 
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steenkh said:
I wonder if anybody has asked Trump what exactly they expect to get from Greenland that they don't already have. They can build all the bases they want, almost anywhere they want. In what way is the U.S. more secure by owning Greenland?
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Yes, but it would be one less country that could point to having a decent health care system...
 
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