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Trump's US Threat to Greenland (which belongs to Denmark)

Hercules56 said:
Greenland does not have to be part of the USA or an American territory for them to be part of a well managed security apparatus to protect North America.
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It already is and has been for generations. They just came back from one of our military bases there.
Hercules56 said:
All this talk about anything beyond that is pretty insane.
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That is the discussion, yeah.
Hercules56 said:
I really hope Trump does not push this too far because if he does it may not go well for him.
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He already has and it already is not.
Hercules56 said:
The days of America taking over territory by force because we feel we need it to be part of our greater sphere of influence are over. And I think our generals will make that very clear if they have to.
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The military will not obey orders to conquer territory. Trump knows this. He's just destroying our credibility and global relationships that were hard forged by better men than him.
 
Yeah. Real reason is Trump's dreams of a glorious legacy, leaving America biglier than it was before his reign.
 
TragicMonkey said:
If Greenland is so vitally urgent now, why wasn't it when Trump was president the first time?!
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According to Tom Dans, who was trump's arctic envoy back then, trump was interested in Greenland back then. Presumably the people around him managed to divert his attention elsewhere.
 
KDLarsen said:
Apparently OANN went all manifest destiny last night, fantasizing about all of the territory the US is meant to take over and rule.
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Is there a summary out there, since I don't have the stomach to watch OANN for any length of time.
 
dann said:
He retweet Don Jr.:

I don't know how much will be lost in translation, but this is what the article by conservative commentator Ned Ryun in RealClearPolitics says, according to DR.dk:

- Unfortunately, the visit follows immediately after an ugly, dishonest conflict initiated by Denmark, who - following bad press after decades of abuse of the people of Greenland - diverts attention by attacking the Second Lady.
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Did you know there were race based problems in the treatment of the indigenous people of Greenland? Fortunately for America, there is no history at all of race based problems in America.
 
JD Vance declaring that Greenland is "extremely vulnerable right now" during a presser as a way of justifying taking it over is just too much.

"Poor mouse, look how easy it is to eat", said the cat. "Perhaps I should take it home."
 
Trump better be very careful. I believe there are a lot of generals in the military who consider the NATO alliance to be as significant and important as the declaration of Independence and even the Constitution.

Attacking a non-threatening NATO ally such as Canada or Denmark (or their terrirories) would be considered by many military people as one step too far, and they might detain him and Vance which makes Speaker of the House the President until the next election.

I hope it doesn't reach that point but I think Trump may just be stupid and insane enough.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Trump better be very careful. I believe there are a lot of generals in the military who consider the NATO alliance to be as significant and important as the declaration of Independence and even the Constitution.

Attacking a non-threatening NATO ally such as Canada or Denmark (or their terrirories) would be considered by many military people as one step too far, and they might detain him and Vance which makes Speaker of the House the President until the next election.

I hope it doesn't reach that point but I think Trump may just be stupid and insane enough.
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Encourage pro-MAGA sentiments in a country through propaganda, fund it with enormous amounts of money, wait for protests and violent altercations from both sides, exagerate the violence in the propaganda, use army to protect "your people".

Now the military people are on board, and those who aren't can be disappeared.

4 years probably isn't enough time though.
 
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Is Trump Administration Pushing Greenland, Denmark Away From US? (Bloomberg Television on YouTube, Mar 28, 2025 - 7:33 min.)

Yes, of course it is! How could it not push Greenland and Denmark away?
Rufus Gifford again appears in this context in the Bloomberg video:
Rufus Gifford, Former US Ambassador to Denmark, states the Trump Administration is "dead wrong" and using "authoritarian rhetoric" when sharing his thoughts on whether or not Greenland would be better kept under United States control for security purposes. Gifford talks about how the Trump Administration is pushing Greenland & Denmark away from the US, and how Vice President Vance's visit to Greenland is playing in Russia President Putin's favor. Rufus speaks with Kailey Leinz and Joe Mathieu on Bloomberg's "Balance of Power."
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What has happened in recent days is that some of the most fervent USA admirers in Denmark - all of them right-wingers, obviously - have turned their backs on the USA. Like this ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊:
Søren Pinds elskede USA er faldet: »Jeg gider kraftedeme ikke synge ’My Way’ længere« (Information.dk, Mar 27, 2025)
Hvad gør man, når en »Mussolini-skikkelse« overtager det USA, man elsker? Søren Pind kalder til åndelig modstandskamp
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Søren Pind's beloved USA has fallen: "I don't ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ want to sing 'My Way' anymore"
What do you do when a "Mussolini kind of guy" takes over the USA that you love? Søren Pind calls for spiritual resistance

Pind (Wikipedia) is not a singer. He is a former politician and probably Denmark's biggest Reaganite ever.
And he is not the only right-winger who has stopped believing in the 'American dream' recently.

And speaking of Mussolini, It kind of reminds me of another Danish ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, the vicar Kaj Munk (Wikipedia), a big admirer of Mussolini and Hitler, who nevertheless ended up being shot by the Nazis during the German occupation of Denmark for taking part in the spiritual resistance (another parallel to Pind).
(Munk was still an ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊: the Nazis helped him fulfill an old dream of his of becoming a Christian martyr: suicide by Nazis. When he was warned by members of the resistance to go into hiding, he refused to do so.)

But it's what often happens to members of the Radical Right when their heroes offend the nationalism of their particular nation. They tend to become either collaborators or members of the resistance. In the case of the latter, often only spiritually ...


ETA: To be fair, Munk turned against Mussolini and Hitler before the Nazis occupied Denmark in 1940. He criticized Mussolilni's war in Ethiopia and Hitler's persecution of the Jews. And to be fair to Søren Pind, he also turned against the USA before the USA occupied Greenland.
 
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Hlafordlaes said:
JD Vance declaring that Greenland is "extremely vulnerable right now" during a presser as a way of justifying taking it over is just too much.

"Poor mouse, look how easy it is to eat", said the cat. "Perhaps I should take it home."
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The presser is against a backdrop of members of the military. That is intentionally intimidating. That is also unethical, not that anyone on team Trump cares about ethics anymore.
 
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