Trump's Second Term

[arthwollipot]

‘It’s frightening’: How far right is infiltrating everyday culture

Extremist messaging now woven into music and YouTube videos, with one expert saying: ‘You can be radicalised sitting on your couch’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Dr.Sid]

I don't think Trump was radicalized by youtube.

 

[Ziggurat]

Whether the legality of the name change figures into the lawsuit outcome is something that I wouldn't know, but it would make AMBASSSDOR Grenell and the Kennedy Center board look pretty bad if a court were to determine that the name change was not legal, and might even generate public sympathy for the musicians.

I don't see how that issue would even come up in such a lawsuit, unless their contract has some clause related to the name. Which would be odd.

 

[EHocking]

Went through about 100 posts on threads. It was about Trump and Epstein. All kinds of links and photos and babies dumped in Lake Michigan. The MAGA people responding, ten or more, all said pretty much "so there are pictures of Trump and Epstein, so what?" They are not going to look at any document from the files unless it is shown on Fox News.

Er, what now?

 

[Ziggurat]

This latest post about Obama not giving lethal aid and such until after is really just par for the course as he leaves out quite a lot of very relevant information that would show that the narrative he's pushing is very unreasonable. I would suggest tempering any expectations in a discussion with him.

Wait... Are you under the impression that Obama ever gave lethal aid to Ukraine? He did not. After Russia's 2014 invasion, he only gave non-lethal aid.

During Trump's first term, Trump gave lethal aid, including the critical Javelin and Stinger missiles that proven crucial in stopping Russia's initial onslaught. During this first term he also tried to stop the construction of the Nordstream 2 pipeline and get Europe to increase military spending. These were not the actions of someone dancing to Putin's tune.

I understand complaints about him going to soft on Putin, and there's room for criticism about how he's handling the Ukraine war, but the idea that he's under Putin's control doesn't withstand even the most superficial scrutiny.

 

[Trebuchet]

Er, what now?

Yeah, I ain't Googling that!

 

[EHocking]

Yeah, I ain't Googling that!

I’m assuming a typo for the moment

 

[arthwollipot]

I’m assuming a typo for the moment

It isn't. And that's all I'm going to say.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

You know they're going to gilded, right? Even below the waterline so they'll look good even when they flip over.

Around here we call it 'floating on their infrastructure'.

 

[shemp]

Er, what now?

Post in thread 'Trump's Second Term'

Dec 24, 2025

Newly released Epstein file links Trump to murdered newborn baby dumped in Lake Michigan

Donald Trump's name appears on a newly released Epstein file in which a purported victim makes allegations about a newborn baby being murdered and dumped in Lake Michigan.

The Justice Department released this file ahead of Christmas Eve in which an unnamed individual, on Aug. 3, 2020, is looking for an update on the status of their earlier complaint. The report lists Jeffrey Epstein as the perpetrator and Trump as the witness.

"I previously provided a tip about 3...

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[Ziggurat]

For those getting your hopes up that finally Trump might be taken down, the Epstein files include a lot of documents that the FBI know are bogus but had to be released anyways because even fake tips are still part of the file. The letter supposedly from Epstein to Larry Nassar is an example: it's known to be fake, but it's still part of the files.

As of this moment, I don't believe there is any confirmation that this submitted tip about a baby is real.

 

[EHocking]

Post in thread 'Trump's Second Term'

Dec 24, 2025

Newly released Epstein file links Trump to murdered newborn baby dumped in Lake Michigan

Donald Trump's name appears on a newly released Epstein file in which a purported victim makes allegations about a newborn baby being murdered and dumped in Lake Michigan.

The Justice Department released this file ahead of Christmas Eve in which an unnamed individual, on Aug. 3, 2020, is looking for an update on the status of their earlier complaint. The report lists Jeffrey Epstein as the perpetrator and Trump as the witness.

"I previously provided a tip about 3...

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I’m sorry I asked, and would seem to have obliterated the memory of reading that.
( and for good reason, too)

 

[Aridas]

Wait... Are you under the impression that Obama ever gave lethal aid to Ukraine?

I was merely referring to your post just before mine.

 

[Ziggurat]

I was merely referring to your post just before mine.

That doesn't answer my question.

 

[acbytesla]

Wait... Are you under the impression that Obama ever gave lethal aid to Ukraine? He did not. After Russia's 2014 invasion, he only gave non-lethal aid.

During Trump's first term, Trump gave lethal aid, including the critical Javelin and Stinger missiles that proven crucial in stopping Russia's initial onslaught. During this first term he also tried to stop the construction of the Nordstream 2 pipeline and get Europe to increase military spending. These were not the actions of someone dancing to Putin's tune.

I understand complaints about him going to soft on Putin, and there's room for criticism about how he's handling the Ukraine war, but the idea that he's under Putin's control doesn't withstand even the most superficial scrutiny.

Again, you're full of crap. Congress did that. Trump as the executive was required by law to transfer the assets and the weapons. And he delayed much of the aid. It also should be noted that Ukraine wasn't invaded during Obama's term or even close to it. It wasn't until February of 2022. 6 years later.

 

[Ziggurat]

Again, you're full of crap. Congress did that. Trump as the executive was required by law to transfer the assets and the weapons. And he delayed much of the aid. It also should be noted that Ukraine wasn't invaded during Obama's term or even close to it. It wasn't until February of 2022. 6 years later.

Ukraine very much was invaded during Obama's term. Are you really that ignorant of what happened in 2014? That's just embarrassing.

 

[acbytesla]

Ukraine very much was invaded during Obama's term. Are you really that ignorant of what happened in 2014? That's just embarrassing.

You're talking about an internal coup of Crimea. It was a fait acompli at that point.

 

[bruto]

Whether the legality of the name change figures into the lawsuit outcome is something that I wouldn't know, but it would make AMBASSSDOR Grenell and the Kennedy Center board look pretty bad if a court were to determine that the name change was not legal, and might even generate public sympathy for the musicians.

I was wondering about the name change. Probably wouldn't do much but it might make a difference if the name change were seen to reflect a change in the character of the institution. The center's name, management, and stated policy all changed. About the only thing that's the same is the building, and that's not guaranteed.

 

[acbytesla]

You're talking about an internal coup of Crimea. It was a fait acompli at that point.

And it still doesn't show that Trump did anything beyond what Congress authorized.

 

[Ziggurat]

You're talking about an internal coup of Crimea. It was a fait acompli at that point.

It wasn't just Crimea. You keep proving you have no clue.