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Trump's Second Term

Tero said:
Is there anything we can scrap, at least for four years, safely? To keep our libertarian friend above happy. Yes.

The Lewis book (link inmy signature) outlines a lot of necessary departements, which are there for our safety. Is there something we can slash safely for four years, at least? Yes, research. Medical research, drug research in colleges, many types of chemistry (think Lithium batteries) and countless practical fields are funded by the USA. Graduate student scholarships to do research. All that can be scrapped. Industry does not invent new chemical reactions, for example (many can't be patented, they are there for common good). All that will need to be scrapped for now. And in the long run we will not be the leader in innovation anymore. China will be. They will also do many types of public constuction. We can't build the Hoover Dams that the future technology will need.
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This is the perfect way to put China on top of the world. Tarriffs be damned.
 
TragicMonkey said:
As bad as cutting those things sounds, I fear it's going to be worse than that. Those things, while expensive, do eventually result in new technologies and advancements which further economic progress by boosting industrial output and creating new and desirable products. It's a lot of public money spent, but private enterprise eventually reaps the benefits and makes money off it.

It's the things that cost money but produce no economic advantage that are most at risk. Healthcare benefits for people who aren't working, for starters. Medicare is the largest expense in the federal budget. While it's certainly nice for those retirees to have covered or subsidized healthcare insurance, they're not producing a lot of economic advantage to shareholders by continuing to live and be healthy. They're not working so their income taxes aren't fattening the coffers. If they were to be reduced in number through dying off earlier that would save the government a lot of money it's currently spending, free up resources for the younger people who are paying more for them, and ease the housing market by increasing the supply of available housing. Ditto Social Security itself, and veteran's healthcare benefits. Slash all three and save not just billions, but hundreds of billions!

I don't see how soulless bastards like those who are about to be in charge of things could resist following through on that math. After all, the ultimate credo of the times is "I got mine, ◊◊◊◊ you" and they've got theirs. So ◊◊◊◊ us. Starting with the elderly because they're the most expensive and the most vulnerable.

And don't tell me "oh, the elderly vote a lot, so politicians won't touch them". They made their final necessary votes this time, the Boomers are dying out and losing influence each election. The bastards-in-charge have done the math, they know who's disposable now and they never choose kindess or loyalty over profit.
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And while the elderly vote, they tend be viewed as less likely to change their mind about who to vote for.
 
Andy_Ross said:
If you vote for the Nazis I would say that makes you a Nazi
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That may very well be so, but he (I think it's a he) has made it plain he opposes the Nazis in question and voted against his own party. The question here is party membership, not voting itself. We can argue about whether the corruption of the party is so irreversible that sticking with it is futile, but that's a different matter. An argument can be made that the party has drifted so irretrievably and so blatantly in the wrong direction that mere membership can be taken as emblematic of its ideology (as you so clearly demonstrate), but the party did not start out there, and there are many old enough to remember when it was not so. In this sense it differs substantively from some other parties to which it has been compared, whose dire and dreadful goal was inherent from the start. There's a difference here between the decision to join and the decision to stay, which I think can be argued without name calling.
 
Trump plans to enact executive order for mass deportations, Don't know why I couldn't link, but here is the text

"Trump has confirmed reports that he plans to declare a national emergency to enact a mass deportation program.

The president-elect, who repeatedly vowed to deport undocumented immigrants during his campaign, said the reports are "true" in a post on his Truth Social account early Monday.

Trump issued his one-word confirmation while reposting a comment from Tom Fitton, the president of the conservative group Judicial Watch, who said Trump will “use military assets to reverse the Biden invasion.”

Trump did not offer any details on his plans."

Well, here we go. This is going to impact a lot of families. I, for one, have many friends who are going to lose a lot, if not everything. I don't really know how to react to the coming horror of this.
 
But definitely not at all fascism...

I mean what could be worse than calling them fascists if they don't quite line up with other infamous fascist regimes? You could hurt those that voted for the fascists' feelings!
 
I would be shocked if Biden actively interfered with the Trump transition.
 
I'm pretty sure Ford's pardon of Nixon was before (and thereby obviating) any criminal charges.
 
DallasDad said:
I'm pretty sure Ford's pardon of Nixon was before (and thereby obviating) any criminal charges.
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Precedent only counts when it favors Republicans. See: presidents attempting to appoint Supreme Court justices at the end of their term, et al.
 
chrispy said:
Trump plans to enact executive order for mass deportations, Don't know why I couldn't link, but here is the text

"Trump has confirmed reports that he plans to declare a national emergency to enact a mass deportation program.

The president-elect, who repeatedly vowed to deport undocumented immigrants during his campaign, said the reports are "true" in a post on his Truth Social account early Monday.

Trump issued his one-word confirmation while reposting a comment from Tom Fitton, the president of the conservative group Judicial Watch, who said Trump will “use military assets to reverse the Biden invasion.”

Trump did not offer any details on his plans."

Well, here we go. This is going to impact a lot of families. I, for one, have many friends who are going to lose a lot, if not everything. I don't really know how to react to the coming horror of this.
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I'm sure the plan will be well-thought-out and there will be safeguards in place to protect the civil and constitutional rights . . .

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

It's Trump and possibly xtian crusader/nationalist and tv presenter Pete Hegseth. They're gonna round up all the brown people they can find and never sort it out later. Coming soon to a farm, orchard, distribution center and construction site near you.
 
Stacyhs said:
I see. Thanks. Amy Strange seems a very reasonable Republican. She is certainly not a fascist/nazi.
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The only reason I am responding is to clarify that I am not a she. It's in my profile. I use the name of one of the main characters (a talking Cat) in my novels as my username.


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The Trump administration’s next target: naturalized US citizens

Miller has declared that he will pursue the seldom-used process of “denaturalization” to go after people who have been citizens for years or decades, based on suspicions about purported fraud on their naturalization applications. Individuals stripped of citizenship will then be subject to deportation along with Miller’s other targets.
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AmyStrange said:
The only reason I am responding is to clarify that I am not a she. It's in my profile. I use the name of one of the main characters (a talking Cat) in my novels as my username.


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Resume said:
I'm sure the plan will be well-thought-out and there will be safeguards in place to protect the civil and constitutional rights . . .

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

It's Trump and possibly xtian crusader/nationalist and tv presenter Pete Hegseth. They're gonna round up all the brown people they can find and never sort it out later. Coming soon to a farm, orchard, distribution center and construction site near you.
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I can see how some personal or family issue could influence staying in the party. Say, if your father had been well known politician, or if it's of vital importance to some other loved one. Not my problem. I grew up with fairly left wing parents, and my mom was a long time friend of Adlai Stevenson as well as of Ella Grasso and Abe Ribicoff, etc., and my late sister marched with John Lewis and Gloria Richardson, but if the D party went as nuts as the R party has, I'd drop them as fast as my Mayflower-descended grandmother dropped the DAR in 1939, and expect my mom would too if she were still alive. But I'm not you, etc.

As for the immigration roundup issue, though it's distant, and I hope far fetched, this whole business worries the hell out of some of us here. My wife, even though she's almost 70 and has been a citizen for decades, gets nervous when Trump and his toadies start talking about retroactive de-naturalization. My family is full of South and Central Americans as well as Cubans, some in Georgia and Texas. Yeah, nothing to worry about, it could never happen here, move along.
 
bruto said:
I can see how some personal or family issue could influence staying in the party. Say, if your father had been well known politician, or if it's of vital importance to some other loved one. Not my problem. I grew up with fairly left wing parents, and my mom was a long time friend of Adlai Stevenson as well as of Ella Grasso and Abe Ribicoff, etc., and my late sister marched with John Lewis and Gloria Richardson, but if the D party went as nuts as the R party has, I'd drop them as fast as my Mayflower-descended grandmother dropped the DAR in 1939, and expect my mom would too if she were still alive. But I'm not you, etc.
As for the immigration roundup issue, though it's distant, and I hope far fetched, this whole business worries the hell out of some of us here . My wife, even though she's almost 70 and has been a citizen for decades, gets nervous when Trump and his toadies start talking about retroactive de-naturalization. My family is full of South and Central Americans as well as Cubans, some in Georgia and Texas. Yeah, nothing to worry about, it could never happen here, move along.
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I think it's imminent.

President-elect Donald Trump on Monday confirmed he would declare a national emergency to carry out his campaign promise of mass deportations of migrants living in the U.S. without legal permission.

Overnight, Trump responded to a social media post from Judicial Watch’s Tom Fitton, who said earlier this month there are reports the incoming administration is preparing such a declaration and to use "military assets" to deport the migrants.

“TRUE!!!” Trump wrote.
Trump pledged to get started on mass deportations as soon as he enters office. "On Day 1, I will launch the largest deportation program in American history to get the criminals out ," he said during a rally at Madison Square Garden in the closing days of the presidential race. "I will rescue every city and town that has been invaded and conquered, and we will put these vicious and bloodthirsty criminals in jail, then kick them the hell out of our country as fast as possible."
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Sounds like Project 2025 and Nosferatu Miller to me. As far as I know, there are no adults in the room to hinder him, much less stop him.
 
Just the best people....

www.bbc.co.uk

Trump defence pick paid accuser to save Fox News job, but denies claim

Pete Hegseth maintains he is innocent and says the sexual encounter in 2017 was consensual.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

President-elect Donald Trump's pick to serve as defence secretary paid a woman who accused him of sexual assault to stay quiet so he would not risk losing his job at Fox News, his lawyer has told the BBC's US partner CBS News.
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Tero said:
One can order the army around anywhere....because the military has unlimited funds?
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Who/what will stop him? Besides, his tariffs will pay for everything.
 
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"Good Republicans" might turn in those nasty immigrants and save the military some work. Elon might even set up a website with rewards for turning them in.

Ugh, I hate to think about it.
 
Tero said:
The regular army uses barracs and such. You have to house, feed, transport the troops
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Most large (blue) cities --where the deportations will likely begin-- have large stadiums that can be converted to housing for the occupying troops. I'm just spitballing here; one can be sure Trump doesn't give a ◊◊◊◊ about the logistics, he'll just order it and let Hegsbert or whatever his name is deal with the chaos. And this is Trump, so there will be chaos.
 
Resume said:
He seems to be assembling an all sex offender line-up. With him leading off.

Party of christian/familyvalues. Party of law and order.

What a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ joke. And people fell for this crap.
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They'll need to add the White House to the DC sex offenders registry. Trump himself should qualify for at lease Class B "Assault (unwanted sexual touching)".
 
Orphia Nay said:
"Good Republicans" might turn in those nasty immigrants and save the military some work. Elon might even set up a website with rewards for turning them in.

Ugh, I hate to think about it.
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Lots of appeal for the kind of people who dream of revenging themselves of imaginary grievances on people made deliberately defenceless, all the while glorifying themselves by claiming patriotism.
 
Flo said:
Lots of appeal for the kind of people who dream of revenging themselves of imaginary grievances on people made deliberately defenceless, all the while glorifying themselves by claiming patriotism.
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Well put.
 
Why not just put the soldiers in to people's houses?

I am sure many of them have a spare room they will be willing to let the army use in their patriotic campaign.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Why not just put the soldiers in to people's houses?

I am sure many of them have a spare room they will be willing to let the army use in their patriotic campaign.
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It they're willing, according to the 3rd amendment. Or in times of war, which Trump will claim this is.
 
Here we go:
Trump has announced that his administration is preparing to declare a national emergency and plans to use the military to implement a mass deportation program.
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The Party is passing legislation to outlaw pro-choice speech. They are passing laws in Texas to make websites illegal. I've been assured, though, that it isn't fascism....
 
thaiboxerken said:
The Party is passing legislation to outlaw pro-choice speech. They are passing laws in Texas to make websites illegal. I've been assured, though, that it isn't fascism....
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Well, Musk made a great fuss about protecting free speech when he bought Twitter, so I'm confident he'll strongly object to the idea of the government suppressing pro-choice speech. No doubt he'll use his influence to put a stop to these sorts of laws.

Right?
 
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