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Trump's Third Term

Knowing Trumpy, he will just declare any future elections unnecessary altogether. Any excuse will do.

His only problem is living long enough to enjoy his reign. Personally, I'm hoping he gets a fatal, incurable, painful, wasting disease that will take him out before next summer. That or he falls off his balcony onto a steel fence railing when stepping up to do his victory speech shamble.
 
There's a very serious threat that he might paint Ivanka orange and declare her Mini Trump, and supercedes Vance to the presidency?
 
Just out of curiosity, but is it unconstitutional for him to run as vice president?


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Brainster said:
Yes. One of the requirements for being vice president is that you are eligible to become president.
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Ok, but is that part in the Constitution? I think it's the 22nd amendment, right? Maybe that part is somewhere else, but it's not in that one. Maybe I'm not reading it right?

Who's the second in line, Secretary of State, right? Does that also hold true for them, or whomever is the third one in line.

This is more out of curiosity than anything else, and I know it's farfetched as all get out, but if Vance became President next, name trump to either role, and then both the POTUS and VP resigned...

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No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
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AmyStrange said:
Ok, but is that part in the Constitution? I think it's the 22nd amendment, right? Maybe that part is somewhere else, but it's not in that one. Maybe I'm not reading it right?

Who's the second in line, Secretary of State, right? Does that also hold true for them, or whomever is the third one in line.

This is more out of curiosity than anything else, and I know it's farfetched as all get out, but if Vance became President next, name trump to either role, and then both the POTUS and VP resigned...
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For your first question, it's the 12th Amendment last sentence:

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
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Second question, the Speaker of the House is second in line, and then the President pro tempore of the Senate. Only then would we go to the cabinet members (starting with the Secretary of State). In theory the Speaker of the House can be anybody; by tradition it's been a member of the house but apparently that is not a requirement. Not sure about the President pro tem; pretty sure it has to be a sitting senator. Still, in the real world, no Republican is going to want Trump around after 2028, for the simple reason that he'd be blocking their opportunity to advance.
 
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AmyStrange said:
Ok, but is that part in the Constitution? I think it's the 22nd amendment, right? Maybe that part is somewhere else, but it's not in that one. Maybe I'm not reading it right?

Who's the second in line, Secretary of State, right? Does that also hold true for them, or whomever is the third one in line.

This is more out of curiosity than anything else, and I know it's farfetched as all get out, but if Vance became President next, name trump to either role, and then both the POTUS and VP resigned...




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You'd think the meaning is pretty clear, but given the way the Supremes these days like to play, one could argue that it is illegal to elect a President for a third term, but there is nothing here to prevent appointing him. Though the Constitution elsewhere sets age and citizenship criteria for who can be the President, this amendment addresses only the issue of election. You'd think after all those years the writers of amendments would do a little better on ambiguous language, but no joy here. So since, technically, the VP is not elected to the Presidency, an ex-President could run for VP, the elected President step down, and the VP would then be appointed. Or, a House Speaker could be appointed if otherwise deemed eligible. Since it is not 100 percent obvious that a House Speaker even needs to be a Representative, a Supreme Court that (in theory only of course) was stuffed with venal, corrupt toadies could find it legal for a dummy President and Vice President to step down, and be replaced by a Speaker who was never elected to the House. This is of course preposterous and would never happen because we all know that preposterous things never happen. And it is actually unlikely. What actually happens will probably surprise us.
 
Brainster said:
For your first question, it's the 12th Amendment last sentence:



Second question, the Speaker of the House is second in line, and then the President pro tempore of the Senate. Only then would we go to the cabinet members (starting with the Secretary of State). In theory the Speaker of the House can be anybody; by tradition it's been a member of the house but apparently that is not a requirement. Not sure about the President pro tem; pretty sure it has to be a sitting senator. Still, in the real world, no Republican is going to want Trump around after 2028, for the simple reason that he'd be blocking their opportunity to advance.
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Thank you for clearing that up.


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bruto said:
You'd think the meaning is pretty clear, but given the way the Supremes these days like to play, one could argue that it is illegal to elect a President for a third term, but there is nothing here to prevent appointing him. Though the Constitution elsewhere sets age and citizenship criteria for who can be the President, this amendment addresses only the issue of election. You'd think after all those years the writers of amendments would do a little better on ambiguous language, but no joy here. So since, technically, the VP is not elected to the Presidency, an ex-President could run for VP, the elected President step down, and the VP would then be appointed. Or, a House Speaker could be appointed if otherwise deemed eligible. Since it is not 100 percent obvious that a House Speaker even needs to be a Representative, a Supreme Court that (in theory only of course) was stuffed with venal, corrupt toadies could find it legal for a dummy President and Vice President to step down, and be replaced by a Speaker who was never elected to the House. This is of course preposterous and would never happen because we all know that preposterous things never happen. And it is actually unlikely. What actually happens will probably surprise us.
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I agree with your SCOTUS opinion, and yes, the next four years will both be sad and hilarious and will probably surprise us too.


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Thermal said:
There's a very serious threat that he might paint Ivanka orange and declare her Mini Trump, and supercedes Vance to the presidency?
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I don't know why people still think he is interested in Ivanka, she is now way too old to be of interest to him.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Cheer up: what you think of as "you" is simply the latest iteration in a long line of interrupted conscious states. When you fall asleep you actually cease to exist, and the conscious entity that wakes up in the body is actually someone else. He just inherits the memories and assumes he's the same person you were.
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I think you're slowly rediscovering the philosophy of Wen the Eternally Surprised there.

Wait until you discover the delights of deja-fu
 
Brainster said:
Yes. One of the requirements for being vice president is that you are eligible to become president.
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Eligible to BECOME president vs. eligible to be ELECTED president? Could an activist SCOTUS rule that the provision in the 12th amendment only refers to the age, citizenship, and residency requirements?
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Eligible to BECOME president vs. eligible to be ELECTED president? Could an activist SCOTUS rule that the provision in the 12th amendment only refers to the age, citizenship, and residency requirements?
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Technically, yes, I think so. Would it be stupid, crazy, anti-American, contrary to the intent of the amendment and to the survival of democracy? Sure, that too. Your point?
 
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