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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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Bogative said:
Yes, definitely. Every shooting with 4 or more victims should be counted as a mass shooting, in my opinion. I believe Mother Jones excludes all "gang" shootings because the overwhelming majority of them are committed by black gangs, this allows them to skew their numbers to their desired narrative.
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Who is the sociological rocket scientist who came up with the arbitrary number of four?
 
Bogative said:
Yes, definitely. Every shooting with 4 or more victims should be counted as a mass shooting, in my opinion. I believe Mother Jones excludes all "gang" shootings because the overwhelming majority of them are committed by black gangs, this allows them to skew their numbers to their desired narrative.
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But the data that you introduced, in another thread, doesn't exclude anything. It shows all reported assaults, of all kinds, from 2021. That's everything from I Need to Speak to the Manager Barbie slapping the waitress because her White Claw was the wrong flavor all the way up to mass murder. And it still shows that a white person was over three times as likely to be assaulted by another white person than by a black person. Does that not fit with your desired racist narrative?
 
Hercules56 said:
Id like to know the metrics and scientific based logic behind the "4 or more= mass shooting" definition.
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You can always contact the FBI and ask them.

Apparently other studies use other metrics, four shot (but not necessarily killed), three killed, five killed.

ISTM that mass is certainly more than two.
 
sackett said:
And I'm still looking forward to when Bogative sets out his solution to the problem of interracial violence. Heck, we're all looking forward to that.

I mean, it's not as if he's afraid or anything. Right!
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I think he is more 'concerned' about intra-racial violence.
 
Foster Zygote said:
Yeah, and in a country where white people outnumber black people by 6:1, the rate of black on white assault vs. black on black is only 1.25:1.
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If the United States were the racial dystopia that you imagine, one might think the ratio would be 7:1 white-on-black, but it's not. Your imagination and reality are pretty far apart.


7:1 is a statistic seized upon by racist fearmongers to reinforce feelings of victimhood in simpletons raised in a racist culture. It's exactly the sort of ******** that fuels white supremacists like Mauricio Garcia.
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It is also the truth, like it or not.


Zeroing in on 7:1 (10:1 originally, right?) makes it sound like black people are 7x more violent than white people, which feeds the basest racist attitudes.
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No, it illustrates that black people are 7 times more likely to commit violence against whites than the opposite.


It is used to justify the delusion that white people are the "real" victims of racial oppression. But why don't you want to talk about the fact that the very statistics your source cited show that, in 2021, a white person was over three times more likely to be assaulted by another white person than a black person? This all started with your conspiracy theory driven assertion that the failure to immediately identify the ethnicity of the Texas mall murderer meant that the media was deliberately conspiring to hide something about his ethnicity and his motives. But it turned out that he was a neo-Nazi, white supremacist ****-stain after all.
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The "white supremacist" is Latino.


And as to your complaint about mind reading: all we need to read is the words in your posts. Racism in the U.S. has reached a point where the racists have tried to disguise it as something more sophisticated and sciencey in order to make it seem more reasonable and legitimate. They wrap their racism in pseudoscience and avoid vulgar racist language, and protest vociferously that they are not racist. They do a lot of JAQing and avoid discussing the implications of their racist claims in order to maintain the "I'm not a racist" deceit so as to avoid defending their actual position, which is that they think white people are just smarter and more virtuous than others.
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Numbers provided by the government is now "sciencey pseudoscience." You are a laugh riot, my friend.
 
Hercules56 said:
Who is the sociological rocket scientist who came up with the arbitrary number of four?
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The gunviolencearchive.org.

GVA uses a purely statistical threshold to define mass shooting based ONLY on the numeric value of 4 or more shot or killed, not including the shooter. GVA does not parse the definition to remove any subcategory of shooting. To that end we don’t exclude, set apart, caveat, or differentiate victims based upon the circumstances in which they were shot.
GVA believes that equal importance is given to the counting of those injured as well as killed in a mass shooting incident.

The FBI does not define Mass Shooting in any form. They do define Mass Killing but that includes all forms of weapon, not just guns.

In that, the criteria are simple…if four or more people are shot or killed in a single incident, not including the shooter, that incident is categorized as a mass shooting based purely on that numerical threshold.
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There is also a federal agency that defines a mass shooting as 4 or more victims.
 
Bogative said:
The "white supremacist" is Latino.
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Is that supposed to be a contradiction of terms?

Europeans colonized South America and there's a long history of colorism and racism in these countries, even into the post colonial era. Plenty of Hispanics consider themselves white and are quite racist to their darker hued peers.

I'm sure white supremacists could get together at a conference and have a knock down drag out fight amongst themselves whether Hispanics, or the Irish, or Italians, etc are really "white", but it's fair to say opinions differ even among the neo-nazi crowd.
 
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Literally every time I've been asked a question on a form what race I am there's some option like "White not Hispanic" or something similar.
 
dirtywick said:
white enough to get giant nazi tattoos all over himself
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Yeah that's most stupid, ****** up part of this. We're still pretending the motivations of the guy with multiple dinner plate size swastikas tattooed on his some big mystery we're still trying to unravel.

There's enough real mysteries in the world. When people tell you who they are, listen.
 
You know what we call Nazis who became Nazis for reasons other than being a Nazi?

Nazis.
 
Foster Zygote said:
But the data that you introduced, in another thread, doesn't exclude anything. It shows all reported assaults, of all kinds, from 2021. That's everything from I Need to Speak to the Manager Barbie slapping the waitress because her White Claw was the wrong flavor all the way up to mass murder.
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False. The data only includes non-lethal interracial violence.

But since you bring it up, I'll introduce more data to shred your misconceptions of racial violence. 27% of white murder victims were killed by blacks, 9% of black murder victims were killed by whites. That's a ratio of 3 to 1. Quite the disparity, huh?

https://datahazard.substack.com/p/american-murder


And it still shows that a white person was over three times as likely to be assaulted by another white person than by a black person. Does that not fit with your desired racist narrative?
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Well, I would hope so considering there are 6 times more white people in the US than there are black people.
 
What is the "X percent of the population by Y percent of violent crimes" statistic that every racist has memorized too complicated for you to remember?
 
Hercules56 said:
Id like to know the metrics and scientific based logic behind the "4 or more= mass shooting" definition.
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It's an arbitrary line you have to set to count stuff. A couple people aren't normally referred to as a mass of people. By four, it's sounding more like a pot luck. You could probably argue about which group three victims falls into, but what's the point? Everybody gets a freebie.
 
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