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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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sackett said:
And I'm still looking forward to when Bogative sets out his solution to the problem of interracial violence. Heck, we're all looking forward to that.

I mean, it's not as if he's afraid or anything. Right!
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Can't have interracial violence if there's only one race. It's bog standard white nationalist utopianism.
 
sackett said:
And I'm still looking forward to when Bogative sets out his solution to the problem of interracial violence. Heck, we're all looking forward to that.

I mean, it's not as if he's afraid or anything. Right!
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Decrease socioeconomic inequality and all crime will go down, including inter-racial crime.
 
Bogative said:
excluding them from data is insignificant.
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In general, excluding any kind of data is a really bad idea unless you have really basic concerns about data quality.

What looks insignificant may turn out to be critical. You can't tell just by guessing.
 
sackett said:
And I'm still looking forward to when Bogative sets out his solution to the problem of interracial violence. Heck, we're all looking forward to that.

I mean, it's not as if he's afraid or anything. Right!
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What would be your, sincere, desired outcome?
 
Worm said:
In general, excluding any kind of data is a really bad idea unless you have really basic concerns about data quality.

What looks insignificant may turn out to be critical. You can't tell just by guessing.
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Agreed. Especially when the data comes from 2 categories that have some of the highest numbers of shootings. I would ask why "Mother Jones" would do such thing but I already know the answer.
 
Gang violence and spree-shootings both need to be examined and solved. They both have different causes which will need different solutions. Lumping them together as "gun violence" mostly muddies the water. There's nothing wrong with making a distinction if your objective is to get the root cause. Separating them as ideas does not mean society has to ignore one, it can work on both.
 
Bogative said:
My claim was about interracial violence, no need to distract from it. 7:1 is not the victory you think it is.
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Yeah, and in a country where white people outnumber black people by 6:1, the rate of black on white assault vs. black on black is only 1.25:1.

7:1 is a statistic seized upon by racist fearmongers to reinforce feelings of victimhood in simpletons raised in a racist culture. It's exactly the sort of ******** that fuels white supremacists like Mauricio Garcia. Zeroing in on 7:1 (10:1 originally, right?) makes it sound like black people are 7x more violent than white people, which feeds the basest racist attitudes. It is used to justify the delusion that white people are the "real" victims of racial oppression. But why don't you want to talk about the fact that the very statistics your source cited show that, in 2021, a white person was over three times more likely to be assaulted by another white person than a black person? This all started with your conspiracy theory driven assertion that the failure to immediately identify the ethnicity of the Texas mall murderer meant that the media was deliberately conspiring to hide something about his ethnicity and his motives. But it turned out that he was a neo-Nazi, white supremacist ****-stain after all.

And as to your complaint about mind reading: all we need to read is the words in your posts. Racism in the U.S. has reached a point where the racists have tried to disguise it as something more sophisticated and sciencey in order to make it seem more reasonable and legitimate. They wrap their racism in pseudoscience and avoid vulgar racist language, and protest vociferously that they are not racist. They do a lot of JAQing and avoid discussing the implications of their racist claims in order to maintain the "I'm not a racist" deceit so as to avoid defending their actual position, which is that they think white people are just smarter and more virtuous than others.
 
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Steve said:
But they should all still be counted, right?
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Yes, definitely. Every shooting with 4 or more victims should be counted as a mass shooting, in my opinion. I believe Mother Jones excludes all "gang" shootings because the overwhelming majority of them are committed by black gangs, this allows them to skew their numbers to their desired narrative.
 
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