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Ed This forum will cease to exist on 15 August 2021

JimOfAllTrades said:
I just did a whois on the domain name and it says the expiration date for the domain is 08-15-2022. Looks like someone paid the bill.
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This is interesting.

Indeed, the webpage: https://who.is/whois/internationalskeptics.com gives the information:
Important Dates
Expires On 2022-08-15
Registered On 2014-08-15
Updated On 2021-08-10
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The same expiration date is given here: https://lookup.icann.org/lookup.

It would then seem that the website http://www.cqcounter.com/whois/ (used by the opening poster) is giving inaccurate and out of date information.
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
That's good, but what problem are you trying to solve? There is nothing wrong with where it's hosted now on donated hardware.

Other than this occasional URL issue, what goes wrong here? Less goes wrong than with the original owner. There's really no convincing thing that the owner can do to improve the forum. And the primary problem in the past with getting change around here was simply failing to get agreement on what to change.
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The issue is that there is no attempt to get new members. This means that the number of active members and new posts is going down. This has been happening for many years.
 
rjh01 said:
The issue is that there is no attempt to get new members. This means that the number of active members and new posts is going down. This has been happening for many years.
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We've been over this before. I know you hate the owner because he won't do more favors than he already has, but that's your problem.

What are you doing to acquire more members?

I know that you'll blame that on the owner but none of your reasons will be convincing. We've done this before.
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
We've been over this before. I know you hate the owner because he won't do more favors than he already has, but that's your problem.
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If one of you two has a carrot up your arse, I'm betting it's not rjh.

"Hate the owner"? You're dreaming this stuff up.

And as to growth of the forum, if you were watching, Icerat went as far as seeking suggestions to help the forum grow. Suggestions that were completely ignored.

There's no question the owner bears the responsibility for the life or death of the forum, and as has been pointed out, he was offered actual money for it and turned it down, so your thinking the members should be responsible for growing someone else's asset is highly amusing.

And please do tell what these favours Icerat has done so far.
 
The Atheist said:
And as to growth of the forum, if you were watching, Icerat went as far as seeking suggestions to help the forum grow. Suggestions that were completely ignored.
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Cite one that was agreed upon as a good thing by the membership and is also likely to lead to growth. If you can cross that bar, which I doubt, then convince me it requires the owner to implement.

Don't bother telling me to "implement a like button".

The Atheist said:
There's no question the owner bears the responsibility for the life or death of the forum,...
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No, that is quite questionable. Members can advertise in multiple ways and up their game on the content they provide.

The Atheist said:
... and as has been pointed out, he was offered actual money for it and turned it down, so your thinking the members should be responsible for growing someone else's asset is highly amusing.
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It's the members that are asking for it to grow isn't it? Why the hell should the people who want something not be responsible for obtaining it?

And you're detached from reality if you think this forum is an asset. And FFS if we turned it into an actual asset it might make him interested. Assuming he could get past all the stuff members here do that would make me want to hate owning this place.

The Atheist said:
And please do tell what these favours Icerat has done so far.
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The forum is running isn't it? He's kept it running. And he improved it in the process, such as speeding up the searches. How much do you want for free?
 
The Atheist said:
If one of you two has a carrot up your arse, I'm betting it's not rjh.

"Hate the owner"? You're dreaming this stuff up.

And as to growth of the forum, if you were watching, Icerat went as far as seeking suggestions to help the forum grow. Suggestions that were completely ignored.

There's no question the owner bears the responsibility for the life or death of the forum, and as has been pointed out, he was offered actual money for it and turned it down, so your thinking the members should be responsible for growing someone else's asset is highly amusing.

And please do tell what these favours Icerat has done so far.
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Thanks for answering the stupid post for me. It is a good reply. RecoveringYuppy's reply to this post is just stupid and not worth anything.
 
I note you completely avoided trying to justify the absurd comment about "hating the forum", so we made some progress anyway, but nice to see you raising new stupid points.

RecoveringYuppy said:
Cite one that was agreed upon as a good thing by the membership and is also likely to lead to growth.
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Let me just refresh your memory - this was icerat's OP:

We're in the process of planning and designing the "home" site for International Skeptics(1), as well as the upgrade to the forum software(2). As part of that we're going to be sending out a survey to all members to get feedback on what type of features/services that you'd like(3).
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Points 1, 2 & 3 never happened.

As to suggestions of value made, posts 5, 7 & 28 make suggestions, and I'm not going to bother going past page 1, because your "argument" is already busted.

RecoveringYuppy said:
If you can cross that bar, which I doubt, then convince me it requires the owner to implement.
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Shift goalposts much? Who said anything about requiring icerat to do anything? He asked, was answered, and ignored the answers.

RecoveringYuppy said:
Don't bother telling me to "implement a like button".
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Scraping the bottom on the barrel there. Not something I would have counted, but nice try.

I won't even bother noting icerat mentioned it in his OP.

rule changes, events, social network, real world meetups, dating, process for selecting mods, member blogs (all or select?), like buttons or other feedback mechanisms, social media integrations, competitions, etc etc etc
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RecoveringYuppy said:
No, that is quite questionable. Members can advertise in multiple ways and up their game on the content they provide.
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I repeat, why would members advertise someone else's asset? Do Reddit, Fark or other somewhat similar websites rely on members to incease the membership? (Answer is no, by the way)

You suggesting people up their game is pretty damned funny, though.

RecoveringYuppy said:
It's the members that are asking for it to grow isn't it? Why the hell should the people who want something not be responsible for obtaining it?
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I think the position has always been growth to stop the membership declining further than the ~75% reduction icerat has overseen.

I repeat - since it seems to be taking a long time for you to accept it, icerat stated that he wanted the forum to thrive.

RecoveringYuppy said:
And you're detached from reality if you think this forum is an asset.
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Now you're being absurd. An asset is something with a value someone owns. Icerat owns the forum and was offered money for it.

That's an almost perfect example of an asset.

One of us is delusional alright, and the fact that multiple people can confirm a purchase offer was made is absolute proof it's now me.

RecoveringYuppy said:
And FFS if we turned it into an actual asset it might make him interested.
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After all that blarney, the best you can do is say it "might" make him interested.

I'd LOL if I used internet acronyms.

RecoveringYuppy said:
Assuming he could get past all the stuff members here do that would make me want to hate owning this place.
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How is what you would or wouldn't like of any relevance?

Oh, that's right, it's not. If you hate the stuff members do I have to wonder why you bother engaging with them. Masochism has an attraction for some people, I guess.

RecoveringYuppy said:
The forum is running isn't it? He's kept it running. And he improved it in the process, such as speeding up the searches.
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:dl:

Gold, pure gold. Sped searches up, bravo!

RecoveringYuppy said:
How much do you want for free?
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I provide faster, more up to date, and better-looking forums than this one for free, reddit provides a massive platform for free, and last I checked, the world's biggest social network was free. The software itself is free, the moderators and admins work for free.

The question is how much does icerat want for free.

You've gone well past clutching at straws.
 
The Atheist said:
Please note:

I repeat, as I have many times, if the owner does decide it's not worth the effort, I'm more than happy to take it over.

If anything untoward does happen, keep an eye on the Farcebook page, and feel free to join up at the little forum I have live here: http://recogitare.com/MyBB/

You can't join directly - thanks to spamming ***** - so if you do want to join up, just email me at zaphodbeeblebrox@xtra.co.nz and I'll get you set up.
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Holy Zarquon! Hoopy email address!
 
The Atheist said:
If one of you two has a carrot up your arse, I'm betting it's not rjh.

"Hate the owner"? You're dreaming this stuff up.

And as to growth of the forum, if you were watching, Icerat went as far as seeking suggestions to help the forum grow. Suggestions that were completely ignored.

There's no question the owner bears the responsibility for the life or death of the forum, and as has been pointed out, he was offered actual money for it and turned it down, so your thinking the members should be responsible for growing someone else's asset is highly amusing.

And please do tell what these favours Icerat has done so far.
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Well, as far as I can tell, Icerat has done the forum one significant favor, which was keeping it (just barely) alive. However, he seems bent on doing the absolute bare minimum necessary to keep the forum alive.
 
Michel H said:
Yes, the registrar for INTERNATIONALSKEPTICS.COM is NetEarth One Inc..

$59.95 for one year, $299.75 for five years and $599.50 for ten years.

Do you have any idea about the cost for hosting on Digital Ocean?

If I remember correctly, Orphia Nay closed the Australasian Skeptics forum in 2016 because she thought it was too expensive for her.
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That is just wrong. A ten year dot com registration costs 50 bucks. That's right 5 bucks a year.

Ooo maybe there are extra services? Right? Nope. Any extra services can be purchase anywhere else. The domain name is independent of any extra services one might want. One can by those any old place if one is so motivated.

Now I have installed many internet servers in secure facilities over decades, actual rack mount physical servers in secure facilities. so do not attempt to pretend you have a clue.

Or is it even that secure, when on thinks about it?

I have so often been installing a 1U, 2U 3U, whatever array in one of those places. One has rented whatever U of space and one one gets a KVM to install ones gear in whichever rack. Earplugs in and arctic clothing on. Because they are freezing and noisy.

So you will be there installing your gear in whatever cabinet, and it is boring, because you are waiting for stuff to install, so you kind of look at other servers while waiting for whatever to install on your own gear. And you suddenly realise that I could take down governments merely by pulling out that plug.

But nobody does that. because we are all of us professionals who know what we are about. But we could.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Happened with Robert Lancaster‘s site.
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abaddon said:
Waht. really?

When did that happen?
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Robert Lancaster went in hospital in a coma. His wife did not monitor his emails. The URL came up for renewal. An email was sent and ignored. So eventually they sold his URL. The buyers probably lost money as it did not last long. Now it belongs to a german organisation dealing with Language Translation and Localized Web Content

For more information see these threads
New domain name for stopsylviabrowne = stopsylvia.com

www.stopsylvia.com hacked?
 
CORed said:
Well, as far as I can tell, Icerat has done the forum one significant favor, which was keeping it (just barely) alive.
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Nope.

He could have sold the forum before it even migrated to his server. It's not a favour when you turn down cash for something. Far from spending money, he could have banked some.
 
Interesting that within a few hours of me creating this thread the Domain was renewed.

Was it this thread that told the owners of the need to do so?
 
rjh01 said:
Interesting that within a few hours of me creating this thread the Domain was renewed.

Was it this thread that told the owners of the need to do so?
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Quite possibly.

Interesting that it hadn't happened in previous years.

I'm trusting you to have it diarised for August next year.
 
rjh01 said:
Interesting that within a few hours of me creating this thread the Domain was renewed.

Was it this thread that told the owners of the need to do so?
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I have a yearly reminder set up for the 14th, when I saw your thread I sent an "early" email to icerat. Don't know if that was what triggered the renewal, icerat or one of his employees could also have a yearly reminder set up.
 
Darat said:
I have a yearly reminder set up for the 14th, when I saw your thread I sent an "early" email to icerat. Don't know if that was what triggered the renewal, icerat or one of his employees could also have a yearly reminder set up.
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Thanks. What happened in previous years when the forum did die for a day or so?
 
rjh01 said:
Odd cannot see anything recent on this page https://www.facebook.com/internationalskeptics
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Then you're not looking very hard.

Time for renewal.
Domain INTERNATIONALSKEPTICS.COM [ Site Info Traceroute RBL/DNSBL lookup ]
Registrar NetEarth One Inc. d/b/a NetEarth NetEarth One, Inc.
Whois server whois.verisign-grs.com
Created 15-Aug-2014
Updated 15-Aug-2020
Expires 15-Aug-2021
Time Left 3 days 17 hours 22 minutes
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International Skeptics
<snip> what, and mess with tradition?
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zooterkin said:
Look harder.
Depends if you're looking for a new post or a new comment on an old one.
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Ok, you're correct that a comment from 2 days ago was buried between a comment from 2 years ago and a comment from 1 year ago on a post from 3 years ago.

If wading that far in amongst years old posts and comments to find a recent comment buried in there somewhere is not looking very hard in your opinion, then fine, whatever. It's not like Facebook lets us sort by newest comment.
 
arthwollipot said:
No, it was a post on the Facebook group.
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Really?

rjh01 started this thread:
rjh01 said:
When you log on to this forum on 15 August 2021 or in 4 days 14 hours 18 minutes from the time of this post you will find the forum is not operational. The reason is that the owners have not paid for the URL. With luck, it will be back in a day or two.
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on August 10, 9:41 a.m. UTC

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Name redacted
posted his message about URL renewal on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/internationalskeptics/posts/1268859569917913?comment_id=1913336195470244) on August 11, 6:39 a.m. UTC, which is later.
 
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wareyin said:
Ok, you're correct that a comment from 2 days ago was buried between a comment from 2 years ago and a comment from 1 year ago on a post from 3 years ago.

If wading that far in amongst years old posts and comments to find a recent comment buried in there somewhere is not looking very hard in your opinion, then fine, whatever. It's not like Facebook lets us sort by newest comment.
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Michel H said:
Really?

rjh01 started this thread:

on August 10, 9:41 a.m. UTC

Edited by xjx388: 
Name redacted
posted his message about URL renewal on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/internationalskeptics/posts/1268859569917913?comment_id=1913336195470244) on August 11, 6:39 a.m. UTC, which is later.
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Thanks, both of you. I wanted to say the same things, but you said them better than me.

I am now patting myself on the back. I have stopped this forum from being down for a day or so. At least for another year or so.
 
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Darat said:
I have a yearly reminder set up for the 14th, when I saw your thread I sent an "early" email to icerat. Don't know if that was what triggered the renewal, icerat or one of his employees could also have a yearly reminder set up.
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And you get reminders from the domain overlords.
 
rjh01 said:
Thanks, both of you. I wanted to say the same things, but you said them better than me.

I am now patting myself on the back. I have stopped this forum from being down for a day or so. At least for another year or so.
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Yes yes, well done. Thank you.
 
Michel H said:
Edited by xjx388: 
Name redacted
posted his message about URL renewal on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/internationalskeptics/posts/1268859569917913?comment_id=1913336195470244) on August 11, 6:39 a.m. UTC, which is later.
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Given that icerate hasn't been in the forum (or at least, not while signed in) since April, I'm going to pick that what happens on the JREF Farcebook page never gets his attention.

It's one of the deader pages on the internet, with rare posts. I don't believe for a split second that had anything to do with it. When I looked at icerat's own FB it looked pretty dead as well.
 
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The Atheist said:
Given that icerate hasn't been in the forum (or at least, not while signed in) since April, I'm going to pick that what happens on the JREF Farcebook page never gets his attention.
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Probably right. The page in question, however, is the International Skeptics page, run by icerat.
It's one of the deader pages on the internet, with rare posts. I don't believe for a split second that had anything to do with it.
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Sure. Did you notice he responded to the comment?

International Skeptics said:
<snip> what, and mess with tradition?
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(I'm not saying the message on the Facebook page was responsible for the renewal, it may well have already been in hand. just pointing out that it did happen, and icerat saw it.)
 
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