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wareyin said:
I'm in the US also, and if I try to pay for my car loan, or phone bill, or even license plate over the phone or online, I have to provide proof of my identity. It's common enough that there are memes about it.
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Gosh, I guess that means I haven't paid anyone else's bill.

Do you not know the reason they do that? It's not to prevent someone else from paying your bill.

At most that will affect how someone else pays the bill, not if they can.
 
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RecoveringYuppy said:
Gosh, I guess that means I haven't paid anyone else's bill.

Do you not know the reason they do that? It's not to prevent someone else from paying your bill.

At most that will affect how someone else pays the bill, not if they can.
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Of course I know several reasons why they do that. I brought up a couple in my previous post. There's also identity theft. You simply said you hadn't heard of any business that wouldn't accept a payment from any source, and I showed you that it's common. Your having paid other people's bills through whatever you arrangements you made with them doesn't alter that.
 
wareyin said:
Of course I know several reasons why they do that. I brought up a couple in my previous post.
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About how it would imply ownership or obligation? Not even close to correct. Take these misunderstandings to another thread.
 
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RecoveringYuppy said:
About how it would imply ownership or obligation? Not even close to correct. Take these misunderstandings to another thread.
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Are you familiar with the concept of "adverse possession"?

As for obligation, let's take the least nefarious to start with. If I pay for the domain, then violate the MA bad enough to be banned, you really don't see how my having paid for the entire forum might imply that there is an obligation to keep me here?
 
Michel H said:
But, let's assume icerat is replaced as the owner, for the reasons you can probably suspect.
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What reasons do you have in mind?

Michel H said:
Then we can (probably) say bye bye to donated hardware.
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Probably depends on the reasons. Plenty of people have expressed interest in donating to the forum without necessarily becoming the owner. Some without any ownership interest at all, others willing for shared or co-op ownership. Others have been willing to take over ownership. I have no idea if icerat would sell/give his ownership and then continue to donate the hardware or not.

Michel H said:
This is why I believe that figuring out the cost of hosting this forum is still of some interest.
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OK. I'm not against that. I pointed someone at the calculator they asked for. I'd also point that at times multiple people have offered other free to the forum solutions.

My point though is that hosting of the forum isn't a real problem for this forum.
 
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rjh01 said:
To The Atheist. You expressed an interest in taking over the forum once. Maybe you should offer to buy the URL as per the above post? That way you could put a bet that I am right and the bet will give you a reward if I am right. And cost very little.
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It isn't available to be bought until after a grace period, usually 30 days, so not an issue.

Michel H said:
Do you have any idea about the cost for hosting on Digital Ocean?
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It's not a hosting cost, it's the domain name cost.
 
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I repeat, as I have many times, if the owner does decide it's not worth the effort, I'm more than happy to take it over.

If anything untoward does happen, keep an eye on the Farcebook page, and feel free to join up at the little forum I have live here: http://recogitare.com/MyBB/

You can't join directly - thanks to spamming ***** - so if you do want to join up, just email me at zaphodbeeblebrox@xtra.co.nz and I'll get you set up.
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
What reasons do you have in mind?
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The periodical domain name renewal issue which is under discussion in this thread.

Perhaps a better owner would pay for five or ten years of the domain name INTERNATIONALSKEPTICS.COM.

I don't see why this problem should occur every year.
 
Oh. Domain expiration doesn't cause icerat to lose ownership or possession of the forum though. Those are separate things.
 
I'm sure that web sites that can be hosted somewhere other than where they are registered because I've worked on and own multiple that aren't. I'm also fairly sure this was once on icerat's servers that his company owned but have not checked recently. Don't have time to look now but I'm not sure you're checking the hosting properly.

ETA: just tried one of my own sites there and it gave me misleading information.
ETA: Click on the "whois" link at your link. It shows icerat's servers. Sorry, for the edits, I'm multitasking a lot today.
 
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RecoveringYuppy said:
I'm sure that web sites that can be hosted somewhere other than where they are registered because I've worked on and own multiple that aren't. I'm also fairly sure this was once on icerat's servers that his company owned but have not checked recently. Don't have time to look now but I'm not sure you're checking the hosting properly.

ETA: just tried one of my own sites there and it gave me misleading information.
ETA: Click on the "whois" link at your link. It shows icerat's servers. Sorry, for the edits, I'm multitasking a lot today.
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I couldn't find this "whois" link you are writing about.

However, this website: https://check-host.net/ip-info?host=http://www.internationalskeptics.com/ gave me the same information: the ISP is apparently Digital Ocean.

According to the website: http://www.cqcounter.com/whois/, the DNS servers belong to TRIBETECH (icerat's organization, I think), but not the Web servers, which are probably more powerful and expensive (?).
 
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There is a whois link at the bottom of that link that also shows icerat's servers. The ISP is not usually where the servers are hosted for small companies.
 
I don't see anything there that supports that. Can you cut and paste the text that makes you think there are multiple servers at Digital Ocean running this forum?
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
I don't see anything there that supports that. Can you cut and paste the text that makes you think there are multiple servers at Digital Ocean running this forum?
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I don't know about multiple servers at Digital Ocean.

When I enter: internationalskeptics.com on the "whois" webpage http://www.cqcounter.com/whois/ provided by the opening poster, I see:
Time Left 2 days 4 hours 23 minutes (that's to reassure zooterkin ;))

DNS servers NS1.TRIBETECH.NET 95.172.11.98
NS2.TRIBETECH.NET 95.172.11.99
ns1.tribetech.net 95.172.11.98
ns2.tribetech.net 95.172.11.99

City Clifton, NJ 07014
Organization Digital Ocean
ISP Digital OceanAS Number AS14061 DigitalOcean, LLC
Latitude 40°83'26" North
Longitude 74°13'07" West
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That's telling you the ISP which is not necessarily the host. And it's not always completely correct about who the ISP is. I just verified this by using that to check websites I control.
 
I just did a whois on the domain name and it says the expiration date for the domain is 08-15-2022. Looks like someone paid the bill.
 
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