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Rich Man's Trick

As long as you engage in trying to change the effects of the awful truths you can handle, I don't care if you make yourself believe that I am insane because of pointing out the awful truths you can't handle.

As long as you promise to show me an awful truth that actually has the benefit of being the awful truth, I'll play.

This is "water is wet" level common sense here, kiddo. This didn't happen in a vacuum. We can't pretend we don't know, like your boy toy Putin murdering his opposition. For that there's plenty of room for doubt. Nope, not in the case of 9/11. On 9/11 there were thousands of eye-witnesses who corroborate the virtually endless stream of physical evidence.

Water is wet, and flight 77 struck the Pentagon.
 
As long as you promise to show me an awful truth that actually has the benefit of being the awful truth, I'll play.

This is "water is wet" level common sense here, kiddo. This didn't happen in a vacuum. We can't pretend we don't know, like your boy toy Putin murdering his opposition. For that there's plenty of room for doubt. Nope, not in the case of 9/11. On 9/11 there were thousands of eye-witnesses who corroborate the virtually endless stream of physical evidence.

Water is wet, and flight 77 struck the Pentagon.


"Kiddo", "boy toy Putin". LOL. You just proved again how emotional this makes you. To even think about the awful truths you can't handle. Just be courageous in real life and I don't care that you couldn't program a HTML formular on gun point (see how easy that is?).
 
"Kiddo", "boy toy Putin". LOL. You just proved again how emotional this makes you. To even think about the awful truths you can't handle. Just be courageous in real life and I don't care that you couldn't program a HTML formular on gun point (see how easy that is?).

YOU are chastising me for using pet names?

:lolsign:

The fact is that there is just too much in the way of eye witnesses and physical evidence that points to flight 77 hitting the Pentagon to ignore. Any attempt to do so proves without a doubt, insanity on the part of the believer.
 
As long as you engage in trying to change the effects of the awful truths you can handle, I don't care if you make yourself believe that I am insane because of pointing out the awful truths you can't handle.

Looking at the Pentagon crash, and the Alps, crash, I see two high speed crashes. What was your point? Do you know the exact speed of the germanwings impact? We have the impact speed for 77. What is your point?

The claims 77 did not hit the Pentagon are insane. If those claims are based on the delusional investigation of the CIT dolts, then the claims are more insane. Given Radar data, the FDR, and DNA - wait, you got youtube... lol

What is the difference between 77 and Germanwings? Flight 77 impacted at 483.5 knots, that is about 1200 pounds of TNT in KE, and that is enough to destory all the bodies, and most of the plane into small parts. If parts and bodies in Germainwings were larger than Flight 77's debris, then germanwings crashed at a slower speed.
 
Looking at the Pentagon crash, and the Alps, crash, I see two high speed crashes. What was your point? Do you know the exact speed of the germanwings impact? We have the impact speed for 77. What is your point?

The claims 77 did not hit the Pentagon are insane. If those claims are based on the delusional investigation of the CIT dolts, then the claims are more insane. Given Radar data, the FDR, and DNA - wait, you got youtube... lol

What is the difference between 77 and Germanwings? Flight 77 impacted at 483.5 knots, that is about 1200 pounds of TNT in KE, and that is enough to destory all the bodies, and most of the plane into small parts. If parts and bodies in Germainwings were larger than Flight 77's debris, then germanwings crashed at a slower speed.


I didn't find estimates about impact speed on a quick look, but here's the NYT:

New York Times said:
[...] Xavier Roy, the coordinator for emergency personnel at the scene, said he was surprised to see few big pieces of wreckage, like an engine or a large piece of the plane body.

“The largest piece we have seen so far is the equivalent of a car door,” he said after flying in a helicopter over the site.

Rémi Jouty, the director of the French Bureau of Investigations and Analysis, which is leading the investigation, said tiny debris was typical of high-velocity impacts. The French authorities said the plane probably disintegrated when it struck the mountain, and did not explode in the air.

“This is what we see when we have an impact on a hard surface, with an open angle, and a high-impact speed,” Mr. Jouty said at a news conference on Wednesday in Le Bourget, near Paris. [...]

Investigators will not know at what speed the plane struck the mountainside unless they can find the memory card from the flight data recorder; the casing was found, but the memory card was not inside. (The Airbus A320’s maximum cruise speed at 37,000 feet is 560 miles per hour, and its landing speed is about 160.)


Get that? It's in small pieces but the pieces are still there, they're all over the ******** place. The Pentagon lawn doesn't feature remains of a large passenger jet. It just doesn't, and no spin can top videos showing the immediate aftermath with the screaming absence of evidence. Deal with it.
 
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Get that? It's in small pieces but the pieces are still there, they're all over the ******** place. The pentagon lawn doesn't feature remains of a large passenger jet. It just doesn't, and no spin can top videos showing the immediate aftermath with the screaming absence of evidence. Deal with it.

I Must have missed the day that a large plane impacted the Pentagon lawn at a high rate of speed.

When was that?
 
The Pentagon lawn doesn't feature remains of a large passenger jet.

1. it didn't hit the lawn

2. there was debris on the lawn from the plane striking the building

3. the vast majority of the plane and the remains of the passengers were found inside the building.

This is really, really simple.
 
Rémi Jouty, the director of the French Bureau of Investigations and Analysis, which is leading the investigation, said tiny debris was typical of high-velocity impacts. The French authorities said the plane probably disintegrated when it struck the mountain, and did not explode in the air.

This is what we see when we have an impact on a hard surface, with an open angle, and a high-impact speed,” Mr. Jouty said at a news conference on Wednesday in Le Bourget, near Paris. [...]


Geeze, if you listen real close it almost sounds like what would be found if an airliner struck what is probably the most well reinforced building in the world.
 
See folks, that's why nobody cares about this little club house anymore. Make sure to read my stuff about current issues over there and keep convincing yourselves that the living room is clear of large smelly animals. ;)
 
See folks, that's why nobody cares about this little club house anymore. Make sure to read my stuff about current issues over there and keep convincing yourselves that the living room is clear of large smelly animals. ;)

We need a .gif of Monty Python's "run away! run away!" for times like these...

It's simple. Virtually all of the debris was found inside of the Pentagon because that's where the plane went.

There was little found on the lawn, because it didn't crash there.

Duh.

** I should however, at least give you a bronze star for acknowledging something did happen at the Pentagon, regardless of how wrong you are about what it was. You're the only truther who does that.
 
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I didn't find estimates about impact speed on a quick look, but here's the NYT:


Get that? It's in small pieces but the pieces are still there, they're all over the ******** place. The Pentagon lawn doesn't feature remains of a large passenger jet. It just doesn't, and no spin can top videos showing the immediate aftermath with the screaming absence of evidence. Deal with it.

Apparently you cannot handle the truth that is the fact that hitting an object that cannot be penetrated , like a solid granite mountain, is vastly different than hitting one that can be, such as a large office building. Therefore the vast amount of debris in the later will be located within the penetrated office structure. For some entirely inexplicable reason you expect the aircraft to have shattered and bounced off of the Pentagon to have its remains end up on the lawn.
 
Apparently you cannot handle the truth that is the fact that hitting an object that cannot be penetrated , like a solid granite mountain, is vastly different than hitting one that can be, such as a large office building. Therefore the vast amount of debris in the later will be located within the penetrated office structure. For some entirely inexplicable reason you expect the aircraft to have shattered and bounced off of the Pentagon to have its remains end up on the lawn.


It hasn't been penetrated significantly and the videos you refuse to understand are witness of that fact. Given the evidence it almost behaved like a mountain - just without reflecting the mass of a large passenger plane -, contrary to the comic-like understanding of physics you are willing to believe.
 
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It hasn't been penetrated significantly and the videos you refuse to understand are witness of that fact. Given the evidence it almost behaved like a mountain - just without reflecting the mass of a large passenger plane -, contrary to the comic-like understanding of physics you are willing to believe.

Did it or did it not penetrate 3 of the 5 rings of the building?
 
It hasn't been penetrated significantly and the videos you refuse to understand are witness of that fact. Given the evidence it almost behaved like a mountain - just without reflecting the mass of a large passenger plane -, contrary to the comic-like understanding of physics you are willing to believe.

Is it opposite day? " reflecting the mass of a large passenger plane" shows a comic book like understanding of physics.
 

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