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H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007

boloboffin said:
RedIbis: please explain how this bill "quells dissent." Please use direct quotations from the bill from a section other than the definitions or the findings, as neither section possesses any legal instrument to quell dissent.
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Gee, I probably would have went ahead and quoted the definitions and findings, but since you have deemed them acceptable, the sheep can go back to sleep.
 
RedIbis said:
Gee, I probably would have went ahead and quoted the definitions and findings, but since you have deemed them acceptable, the sheep can go back to sleep.
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Translation: There aren't any that I can find, but I know they're there, and if you can't see what's not there, that's not my problem.
 
RedIbis said:
Gee, I probably would have went ahead and quoted the definitions and findings, but since you have deemed them acceptable, the sheep can go back to sleep.
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Aren't you one who has complained about incivility? How would you describe this little "sheep/ sleep" couplet, if not that?

I prefer the version from Handel's Messiah:

"All we like sheep..."
 
SDC said:
Aren't you one who has complained about incivility? How would you describe this little "sheep/ sleep" couplet, if not that?

I prefer the version from Handel's Messiah:

"All we like sheep..."
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Only if you feel it applies. My comment was not directed at anyone personally. I was speaking in the more general sense. As for the broad, vague language of legislation that sets little constraint on gov't's discretion at defining "terrorism", I have nothing but incivility and contempt.
 
SDC said:
Aren't you one who has complained about incivility? How would you describe this little "sheep/ sleep" couplet, if not that?

I prefer the version from Handel's Messiah:

"All we like sheep..."
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Pfeh. The next line is "have gone astray." Teach me to expect much in the way of literacy. Well, I have nothing but contempt for those who run out of arguments except to call their opponents "sheep."

Bah.

More seriously, who the heck started the "sheep/ sheeple" expression with reference to non-Trutherians? A.Jones? Cthulu?
 
SDC said:
Pfeh. The next line is "have gone astray." Teach me to expect much in the way of literacy. Well, I have nothing but contempt for those who run out of arguments except to call their opponents "sheep."

Bah.

More seriously, who the heck started the "sheep/ sheeple" expression with reference to non-Trutherians? A.Jones? Cthulu?
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Excellent. I see I've made another friend. I can't help you on the origins of the metaphor, except to say it's been useful in reference to any group of people who simply refuse to question and critically analyze the laws passed by leadership. I have no idea what a trutherian is, nor do I know what cthulu is.
 
RedIbis: If you can find actual empowering of legal agencies to do anything at all in the definitions and findings, feel free to quote that. However, definitions and findings don't have these empowerments. That's why I "deemed them unacceptable." There is no empowerment there.

Read the bill. The bill empowers some people to do some things. Who does the bill empower, and what does it empower them to do?
 
RedIbis, none of your posts here matter until you explain why this bill does what you say it does. Just saying "I have nothing but incivility and contempt" means absolutely nothing, despite your self-importance. EXPLAIN TO US WHY USING THE TEXT OF THE BILL. Why is this so hard to understand?
 
RedIbis said:
Excellent. I see I've made another friend. I can't help you on the origins of the metaphor, except to say it's been useful in reference to any group of people who simply refuse to question and critically analyze the laws passed by leadership. I have no idea what a trutherian is, nor do I know what cthulu is.
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"Trutherian" is, I think, a word I made up. It means Truthers & Truthettes. I am uncomfortable saying "twoof" or derivations.

Cthulhu (I can't believe the level of cultural illiteracy I'm confronting; what has happened to the level of education in this country?): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos

I'm sure there are better references but this is quick.
 
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RedIbis said:
Excellent. I see I've made another friend. I can't help you on the origins of the metaphor, except to say it's been useful in reference to any group of people who simply refuse to question and critically analyze the laws passed by leadership. I have no idea what a trutherian is, nor do I know what cthulu is.
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And you base this accusation on what? You could have spelled out what has your panties in a knot about this, but I guess that's too much like work. Easier to just say we are not questioning, and are sheep, than actually trying to back up your statement.
Come on. Prove me wrong. Show me what is so terrible in this, that I need to go into a major panic about it.
 
SDC said:
"Trutherian" is, I think, a word I made up. It means Truthers & Truthettes. I am uncomfortable saying "twoof" or derivations.

Cthulhu (I can't believe the level of cultural illiteracy I'm confronting; what has happened to the level of education in this country?): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos

I'm sure there are better references but this is quick.
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I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're simply being facetious by suggesting that cultural illiteracy is evidenced by a lack of familiarity with Lovecraft. Forgive me for never getting around to the horror fiction drama.

And although I never referred to anyone personally in this forum as a sheep, how about I pledge never to do that if you refrain from referring to me as a truther, trutherian or any derivation. That way, we can be sure some friendly discussion might ensue.
 
All I see is "blah blah blah blah stop attacking me even though i called everyone who didn't immediately believe me 'sheep'"

Any quotes from the bill yet? no? alright later.
 
RedIbis said:
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're simply being facetious by suggesting that cultural illiteracy is evidenced by a lack of familiarity with Lovecraft. Forgive me for never getting around to the horror fiction drama.

And although I never referred to anyone personally in this forum as a sheep, how about I pledge never to do that if you refrain from referring to me as a truther, trutherian or any derivation. That way, we can be sure some friendly discussion might ensue.
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Calm down, you believe in 9/11 truth dim witted ideas. Relax, truther is a badge of honor for people who believe in the crazy ideas of 9/11 truth. It means you need no evidence to say ridiculous things about 9/11. Be proud, you are the one with the ideas on 9/11 that have no rational basis.

You will not understand the OP anyway, so why worry now?
 
That's it, pretty much. Pork for days. It should be noted that the Center of Excellence can be combined with an existing CoE, and that a couple of civil liberties groups are working to make the definitions better at the express invitation of the House subcommittee. The anti-government loons need their daily dose of suspicious fear, and H.R. 1955 provided a bumper crop.
 
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