Consciousness question
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Oh... yes... you're right. I apologize Merc.
Must have been an unconscious error on my part...
Which doesn't change the fact that it is big business, and leeches off of society in general. Much of these so-called "modern diseases" of today, could probably be prevented with a simpler lifestyle.
Eh, I've been off my meds for almost twenty years now.
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Evidence?
Really? Oh, and did you know that the last time I went to the doctor (over eight years ago) they couldn't find anything wrong with me? Of course that didn't explain why I felt so crappy all the time and, that my body was falling apart. But, I ultimately figured it out on my own and feel much better nowadays. Thanks.It shows.
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Interesting anecdote. Of course it would be more useful with details supplied. After all that pediatric gynecologist you saw wouldn't be likely to be able to diagnose your leprosy OR your schizophrenia...
So ultimately what was it? Did you suffer from an infestation of mind flayers?
I believe it was diabetes or, at least this is what the symptoms appeared to indicate ... frequent urination, numbness in the extremities (more so in the face), a burning sensation in the legs, a sudden loss in vision (the eye doctor was very concerned about it when I had my vision checked), feeling weak and disoriented much of the time, not to mention what I'm reasonably sure was a heart attack the year prior to my going to the doctor (I had already had these other symptoms for at least two or three years by then) which, of course the doctor would not believe. But then again it was more of a freak thing that happened, otherwise it would have probably taken much longer to develop, in which case I probably wouldn't be here to talk about it if it had. This was my wakeup call, however, and it expedited my trying to find a way to get a handle on it. So, by the time I got to the doctor I pretty much understood what I was dealing with. The problem was, it depended upon my taking a certain type of chromium (organically bound) which, the drugs companies had just begun to discontinue. So half the time I couldn't find it or, I was taking something else that didn't work or, I was taking something that was too strong and made me sick ... comparable to insulin shock if I were to guess. Of course the doctor wouldn't believe me on this one either, and that was about the end of that. I did manage to get things under control over the next five or six years, however.
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I think I have to agree that Iacchus choice of words seems, on the surface, to be a little insensitive. But might he not be referring to the prediliction for US senior citizens to go in for any new faddish - and extremely expensive - drug therapy, diet/exercise regimen, etc.,? I think those who target senior citizens with this kind of stuff in adverts deserve a little criticism.
You have to face the fact that you have an ageing and wealthy population and a lot of people are going to try to bilch them out of their life savings for a lot of treatments that are very questionable.
Speaking from the UK, where we have the NHS I already think you're all a bit mad anyway in the way your health service works.
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And what does this have to do with Medical Science?
Remember, to take a recent famous instance, Coretta Scott King died in Mexico, pursuing some very questionable treatments. Medical science is in the job of finding treatments that actually do work. People will try to take your money whether something works or not; your and Iacchus's statements equating Medical Science with con artists are an insult to the hard work and dedication of medical researchers who are giving "an ageing and wealthy population" more choices that are real.
Yeah, life was much better before medical science--we didn't have an aging and wealthy population to worry about.
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I can see this has the potential to drag this thread off topic (so what else is new?) but oddly, I agree with you in some ways. That's why I have a "living will" which stipulates that no extraordinary means will be taken to keep me alive if I have virtually no chance of recovery. Do you have something like that Iacchus? It will keep the C of MS from sucking up your children's inheritance.
But even as a derailment, it is not to the point. You agree that everyone is going to die. You agree that your "spirit" will no longer need your body. Why not then leave the parts of your body that can be used to people who need them to stay alive? Do you carry an organ donor card?
Oh yes, I too owe a lot to medical science. I got to spend a wonderful extra twelve years with my mother after she was diagnosed with cancer and given six months to live. While it is true it drained family resources, including my own, I do not regret it for one second.
So who was it that you wanted to die but the C of MS kept them around anyway? And why is that "inheritance" (which you didn't earn) more important to you than a person's life?
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I believe medical services are the problem, not medical science. And yes, I do believe that the services are way more expensive that what they should be. I believe that the state should provide medical services FREE for every individual.
One thing is to pay a singer or an actor for entertain us, and another very different having to pay someone to heal us. So, if we dont have the money we die.
And sorry if this is offensive in any way to anyone!
One thing is to pay a singer or an actor for entertain us, and another very different having to pay someone to heal us. So, if we dont have the money we die.
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I don't have any children and I expect I will just crawl away and die somewhere when the time comes. And perhaps I could donate my organs to the ants and the worms? It's more natural that way, you see.
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I don't have any children and I expect I will just crawl away and die somewhere when the time comes. And perhaps I could donate my organs to the ants and the worms? It's more natural that way, you see.
His organs are already spoken for.
I do not believe you.You are going to question the awareness of a thermostat by a defintion other than your own, and then turn around and mis-apply that same definition to big businesses?
It is the people, not the big businesses. If you want to discuss that, name the people involved who are capable of making the decisions that affect "society in general".
Let's just say I have a natural aversion towards the health care profession in general. The body is perfectly capable of taking care of itself if, you will allow it to do so.
You are going to question the awareness of a thermostat by a defintion other than your own, and then turn around and mis-apply that same definition to big businesses?
It is the people, not the big businesses. If you want to discuss that, name the people involved who are capable of making the decisions that affect "society in general".
I was just joking, really. But seriously, when you talk about "big business", you should talk about the people in charge of those businesses. Many businesses are not out to screw people over. Claiming that they're doing something wrong by earning a profit is kind of a moot point, since that what businesses are created to do.
Do you mean like the folks at Enron who, with all their bungling caused the electric rates to practically double within a year over here? Not to mention all the local power company employees who are getting screwed out of their retirement?
Tricky
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That's rich. What do you think life expectancy was two-hundred years ago? Well I'll tell you. It was in the twenties. Your wonderful self-caretaking body and that marvelous mind of yours would probably be dead by now.