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Consciousness question

Iacchus said:
Remember, that upon death this mysterious thing called "life" leaves the body?
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Is that a question or a statement? If it is a question, then the answer is yes, life leaves the body. It no longer exists.

Iacchus said:
Obviously the "physical" body doesn't persist.
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It persists a heck of a lot longer than the life it used to contain. People inject the dead body with fluids and build elaborate boxes and pyramids to keep the physical body around, though I can't figure out why. Not one "life" has ever returned from death so keeping the body around to give it a place to stay when it comes back is the ultimate in wishful thinking.
 
cpolk said:
God did it through Jesus pretty much this way. (Remember, hypothetically.) The spirit of God was inside Jesus' body, but Jesus was not aware or able to communicate 1-1 between his mind and spirit.

Any ideas on how to make this make some sort of sense, maybe start a new religion, or are we just done with this thread?
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Yes, Jesus had access to the network, but through a single terminal.
 
Tricky said:
Is that a question or a statement? If it is a question, then the answer is yes, life leaves the body. It no longer exists.
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Yes, it no longer exists within the body. And yes, I believe I was posing a question, but could have phrased it a bit better.

It persists a heck of a lot longer than the life it used to contain. People inject the dead body with fluids and build elaborate boxes and pyramids to keep the physical body around, though I can't figure out why. Not one "life" has ever returned from death so keeping the body around to give it a place to stay when it comes back is the ultimate in wishful thinking.
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However, that part that we associate with the person's identity/personality departs almost immediately.
 
zaayrdragon said:
Iacchus, you really ought to be back in the hospital.
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I remember when I was in the hospital that this young nurse (she was very attractive) gave me some wooden ant figures to assemble, and she was amazed at how adept I was at assembling them and, how ambidextrous I was!
 
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Iacchus said:
Yes, it no longer exists within the body. And yes, I believe I was posing a question, but could have phrased it a bit better.
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Nobody has ever demonstrated that it exists after death at all. Certainly you have never provided a scintilla of evidence for such a thing.

Iacchus said:
However, that part that we associate with the person's identity/personality departs almost immediately.
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No, the identity/personality may depart quite slowly, long before the physical body dies. It took years for my grandmother to die of Alzheimer's, and before her body died, her mind did. She in no way resembled the identity or personality of the person I had loved when I was a child. Her brain wasn't working, so her "spirit" wasn't working either. Where do you think her spirit went during those years of dementia? Was it restored after she died? If so, where did the "crazy" spirit go?

You see, the whole "spirit" business falls apart upon close inspection. You're going to die, Iacchus. We all are. And when we do, we will never be alive again. So my advice is to get busy living and stop concerning yourself with immortality. You've only got one life. Don't waste it.
 
Tricky said:
You see, the whole "spirit" business falls apart upon close inspection. You're going to die, Iacchus. We all are. And when we do, we will never be alive again. So my advice is to get busy living and stop concerning yourself with immortality. You've only got one life. Don't waste it.
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“But don’t you think there must be something more,
Some subtle spirit, powering the mind?”
We've heard the question many times before;
I don’t know what Iacchus hopes he'll find,
But…No, I don’t see why this must be so;
It’s merely wishful thinking, and the fear
Of death, which comes to everyone, we know,
A final fact which could not be more clear.
With just one life to live, it is our duty
Not to waste our time in fruitless tasks
But always to appreciate the beauty,
Beauty which mere superstition masks.
There is no spirit lingering past death;
So live, and love, and laugh, while you have breath.
 
Mercutio said:
“But don’t you think there must be something more,
Some subtle spirit, powering the mind?”
We've heard the question many times before;
I don’t know what Iacchus hopes he'll find,
But…No, I don’t see why this must be so;
It’s merely wishful thinking, and the fear
Of death, which comes to everyone, we know,
A final fact which could not be more clear.
With just one life to live, it is our duty
Not to waste our time in fruitless tasks
But always to appreciate the beauty,
Beauty which mere superstition masks.
There is no spirit lingering past death;
So live, and love, and laugh, while you have breath.
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:clap: :clap: :clap:

I truly hope Iacchus can understand the honor he's been accorded here. Sonnets are one of the hardest forms to compose, but Mercutio has proved himself its master. But I suspect it will only make a whooshing sound as it flies over his head.

But it wasn't wasted, Merc. Oh, far from it. It's joined my collection. Well done, lad.
 
Tricky said:
:clap: :clap: :clap:

I truly hope Iacchus can understand the honor he's been accorded here. Sonnets are one of the hardest forms to compose, but Mercutio has proved himself its master. But I suspect it will only make a whooshing sound as it flies over his head.

But it wasn't wasted, Merc. Oh, far from it. It's joined my collection. Well done, lad.
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Thanks, but sonnets are easy. A trained chimp can crank them out. Villanelles, now...
 
Mercutio said:
Thanks, but sonnets are easy. A trained chimp can crank them out. Villanelles, now...
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All I know is that in my sophomore literature class, the professor had us all create sonnets. About 5% actually created one with proper meter and rhyme. More than half the class couldn't even manage to make it 14 lines.

I could not write a sonnet
If my life depended on it
I have not the wit to spawn it
Nor from wisdom have I drawn it
If I could write one, I'd pawn it
Just to buy my love a bonnet
(One without Burn's louse upon it)
And we'd party till the dawn. It
Would be so, if I could sonnet.
 
Tricky said:
You see, the whole "spirit" business falls apart upon close inspection. You're going to die, Iacchus. We all are. And when we do, we will never be alive again. So my advice is to get busy living and stop concerning yourself with immortality. You've only got one life. Don't waste it.
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I understand that the Native Americans were a very spiritual people. Yet they were never read up on Homer or, believed in Jesus Christ even.
 
I have to say I admire something about Iacchus. No matter how rude we are towards him (because of the natural emotions that arise in some of us after his continual denial when confronted with logical arguments), he never explotes or lose his temper.

Well done Iacchus.
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
I have to say I admire something about Iacchus. No matter how rude we are towards him (because of the natural emotions that arise in some of us after his continual denial when confronted with logical arguments), he never explodes or lose his temper.

Well done Iacchus.
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That's odd. I consider Iacchus perhaps the rudest poster here. True, he rarely gets obscene, but his habit of asking a question then ignoring the reply is infuriating, as is his air of superiority and his unwillingness to admit when he has made a mistake.

Take for example the situation above. I make a direct statement about life after death, hoping that he will challenge it or at least discuss it. Instead, he ignores it completely and goes off in a completely unrelated direction linking native Americans and Jesus. That is more rude than farting at a funeral. I might excuse it if Iacchus were actually stupid, but he is not.

There are other ways to be rude than just cussing. Cussing, in fact, is more honest.
 
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Tricky said:
That's odd. I consider Iacchus perhaps the rudest poster here. True, he rarely gets obscene, but his habit of asking a question then ignoring the reply is infuriating, as is his air of superiority and his unwillingness to admit when he has made a mistake.
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Believe me, I understand what you say. Still, I have arrived to the conclusion that he does not ignore answers, he is simply unable to understand them. Point him to anything that might lead him to change his view and he goes blind. Not because he wants to be annoying, but because he honestly can't see anything outside his point of view.

I can be wrong, but its the only way I can explain to myself that kind of refusal and stubbornness. Other characters, like lifegazer, were far more annoying IMO.
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
I have to say I admire something about Iacchus. No matter how rude we are towards him (because of the natural emotions that arise in some of us after his continual denial when confronted with logical arguments), he never explotes or lose his temper.
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Not true. In addition to Trixie's observation, Iacchus has lost his temper on a few occasions. He posts so many inane responses that these tend to get lost among them, and since his posts are so often only tangentially related to the topic at hand, an intentionally mean response may be overlooked as a typically wide shot.

You'll have to look harder for a reason to admire him.
 
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