Consciousness question

[Tricky]

And why do you say this, just because I don't go running to the doctor every time I cut my finger?

No. Because you said this:

The Church of Medical Science is a big joke. About the only thing they're good for is sucking up everyone's inheritance.

That says to me that you are very angry at medical science.

You know, I've saved lots of money by not "buying" into the system. Heck, I don't even worry when I'm out of work and don't have any health coverage.

I'm glad you've been so fortunate. I'm that way too. I've been in a hospital twice in my life, once when I was 7 years old. But going naked (without health insurance) is not a risk I'm willing to take, even though I don't have kids either. But if you really want to make sure that you don't wind up enriching the Church of Medical Science, you really ought to make sure you have a living will. You don't want to wind up like Terri Schiavo.

And no, I'm not really mad at anybody, although I might think the whole thing is a big joke.

You could have fooled me. You sound angry because of doctors getting money and because they couldn't fix you when you were sick and maybe even because medical science keeps pulling open the curtain on your imaginary world of spirits and dreams.

 

[Iacchus]

No. Because you said this:

That says to me that you are very angry at medical science.

Do I feel like it's let me down in any way? No, because I haven't bought into it. Why? Because I have faith in other things.

Now I do understand why you would say such a thing, because it's the only thing you understand. Which, is why other folks are pissed off, because it's the only thing they understand. And, it is a big rip off and, it has let them down. This much is apparent.

 

[Mercutio]

This much is apparent.

Then you won't have any trouble providing evidence, as you were asked a page ago.

 

[Iacchus]

Then you won't have any trouble providing evidence, as you were asked a page ago.

Evidnece of what? That people are over reliant on the medical system?

 

[Mercutio]

Evidnece of what? That people are over reliant on the medical system?

That "it is a big rip off and, it has let them down."

But nice attempt to move the goalposts.

 

[Tricky]

Do I feel like it's let me down in any way? No, because I haven't bought into it.

And yet you went to the hospital when you "thought you were going to die" with gastroenteritis. You bought into it just fine when you were scared.

Why? Because I have faith in other things.

All I can say is that I'm glad you don't have kids. You probably would be one of those loonies who would refuse to vaccinate them because you have "faith" in other things.

Now I do understand why you would say such a thing, because it's the only thing you understand. Which, is why other folks are pissed off, because it's the only thing they understand.

And yet it is you, not I, who is raging about the "Church of Medical Science." I'm not pissed off at all. Why are you trying to transfer your anger to me?

And, it is a big rip off and, it has let them down. This much is apparent.

It is not cheap, but it does work, unlike faith.

 

[Hardenbergh]

And yet you went to the hospital when you "thought you were going to die" with gastroenteritis. You bought into it just fine when you were scared.

All I can say is that I'm glad you don't have kids. You probably would be one of those loonies who would refuse to vaccinate them because you have "faith" in other things.


And yet it is you, not I, who is raging about the "Church of Medical Science." I'm not pissed off at all. Why are you trying to transfer your anger to me?


It is not cheap, but it does work, unlike faith.

I don't know if it's a matter of being cheap as much as not having any health insurance coverage. When you're only required to pay a small co-payment every time you see a doctor, one is more inclined to trot to the doctor.

 

[Iacchus]

And yet you went to the hospital when you "thought you were going to die" with gastroenteritis. You bought into it just fine when you were scared.

I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't go to the doctor, just that they should be very wary.

All I can say is that I'm glad you don't have kids. You probably would be one of those loonies who would refuse to vaccinate them because you have "faith" in other things.

I'm glad I don't have kids either. It's too much responsibility, at least in this day and age.

And yet it is you, not I, who is raging about the "Church of Medical Science." I'm not pissed off at all. Why are you trying to transfer your anger to me?

I only brought it up once.

It is not cheap, but it does work, unlike faith.

Yes, the Church of Medical Science is for those who are faithless ... except in the Church of Medical Science that is.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't go to the doctor, just that they should be very wary.

I'm glad I don't have kids either. It's too much responsibility, at least in this day and age.

I only brought it up once.

Yes, the Church of Medical Science is for those who are faithless ... except in the Church of Medical Science that is.

Iacchus, if you broke your leg, what would you do? Would go see a doctor?

 

[Iacchus]

Iacchus, if you broke your leg, what would you do? Would go see a doctor?

Yes.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

Yes.

Very well. If you cut your finger, the wound became infected, and you were feverish and at death's door, would you see a doctor?

 

[Hardenbergh]

Very well. If you cut your finger, the wound became infected, and you were feverish and at death's door, would you see a doctor?

I know someone who almost lost his arm last year as a result of an infection from a cut finger and he had to go to the hospital every day for awhile and eventually ended up being admitted. He was so thankful that he didn't lose his arm. The infection had spread to his arm. He also happens to be one who has a very strong faith in God and he didn't hesitate to give God (and the doctors) the credit for his healing.

 

[Iacchus]

Very well. If you cut your finger, the wound became infected, and you were feverish and at death's door, would you see a doctor?

Provided that it got to that condition, yes. Otherwise, if I wasn't sure, and I didn't do anything to make it worse, I'd give it a chance to heal, and wait and see. This is what I've always done, and I'm still here to talk about it.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

Provided that it got to that condition, yes. Otherwise, if I wasn't sure, and I didn't do anything to make it worse, I'd give it a chance to heal, and wait and see. This is what I've always done, and I'm still here to talk about it.

Very well, if the need were pressing enough, you would seek out the asisstance of a trained medical professional?

 

[Hardenbergh]

I'm a little (actually, a lot) spleeny about certain medical procedures. As most of us are aware, most doctors recommend a colonoscopy by the time we reach 50. I had one scheduled and then found an excuse to cancel it. I realize this is foolish as colon cancer is very preventable if caught early. I'd have to go through a helluva lot more than a colon screening if I was diagnosed with colon cancer. I'd have to endure endless treatment and the outlook might be grim. Preventive medicine seems to be the "in" thing these days.

 

[uruk]

Do I feel like it's let me down in any way? No, because I haven't bought into it. Why? Because I have faith in other things.
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Don't get sick or injured. Faith healing has a bad track record.

 

[uruk]

I'm a little (actually, a lot) spleeny about certain medical procedures. As most of us are aware, most doctors recommend a colonoscopy by the time we reach 50. I had one scheduled and then found an excuse to cancel it. I realize this is foolish as colon cancer is very preventable if caught early. I'd have to go through a helluva lot more than a colon screening if I was diagnosed with colon cancer. I'd have to endure endless treatment and the outlook might be grim. Preventive medicine seems to be the "in" thing these days.

Well having had a colonoscopy I can tell you that it is a surreal experiance. I found out that most doctors will sedate you for the proceedure. For some reason my doctor didn't. On the whole, I rather he did. It is not painfull so much as it is unpleasent and humiliating. I mean you have a camera jammed in your bum for crying out loud! What's really funny is if they have to take a biopsey. When they remove the biopsey forcep it looks like sailors pulling a sail line. (Im' not kidding)
Also, after the proceedure your treated to longest fart you've ever had. Mine lasted almost five seconds. (they have to inflate the colon and intestinal tract for a better view.)

My doctor taped the whole proceedure and sold it to movie studio. I believe they turned it into a movie.

It's called "The Cave".

 

[Tricky]

Well having had a colonoscopy I can tell you that it is a surreal experiance. I found out that most doctors will sedate you for the proceedure. For some reason my doctor didn't. On the whole, I rather he did. It is not painfull so much as it is unpleasent and humiliating. I mean you have a camera jammed in your bum for crying out loud! What's really funny is if they have to take a biopsey. When they remove the biopsey forcep it looks like sailors pulling a sail line. (Im' not kidding)
Also, after the proceedure your treated to longest fart you've ever had. Mine lasted almost five seconds. (they have to inflate the colon and intestinal tract for a better view.)

My doctor taped the whole proceedure and sold it to movie studio. I believe they turned it into a movie.

It's called "The Cave".

I had one a couple of years ago (when I turned 50!) and there was absolutely nothing to it. Fortunately (after hearing your story I realize how fortunate it was) I was under general anesthesia. Man, they have gotten really good with that stuff, because I don't remember getting drowsy or anything, just boom, and the next thing I remember was waking up. No drowsy after-effects either. I was joking with them about the pictures (I think I mentioned that I thought I saw some bats. I guess everybody makes the same jokes )I could have driven home if I hadn't had my wife there.

Fortunately, I got no bad news, except I can never eat popcorn again. I'm not that crazy about it anyway.

The worst part of the whole proceedure was the preparation. You have to take an emetic which... well... the descriptive phrase "like a goose" definately applies. The old chocolate starfish turned pink and angry.

 

[Iacchus]

Don't get sick or injured. Faith healing has a bad track record.

Weren't you the one who said the only problem you have with being dead is getting there? Same here.

 

[uruk]

Weren't you the one who said the only problem you have with being dead is getting there? Same here.

That's why I go to doctors. I want to live! LIVE! untill I die!

I want to clarify my statement about getting dead. Death and getting dead are two different things. "Death" is like having a college degree. "Getting dead" is having to sit through the godawful boring ceremony.