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What did Democrats do wrong?

What did Democrats do wrong?

  • Didn't fight inflation enough.

    Votes: 12 15.6%
  • Didn't fight illegal immigration enough.

    Votes: 22 28.6%
  • Too much focus on abortion.

    Votes: 1 1.3%
  • Too much transgender stuff.

    Votes: 28 36.4%
  • America not ready for Progressive women leader.

    Votes: 26 33.8%
  • Should have kept Joe.

    Votes: 2 2.6%
  • Not enough focus on new jobs.

    Votes: 2 2.6%
  • Nothing, Trump cheated & played dirty!

    Votes: 14 18.2%
  • Didn't stop Gaza War.

    Votes: 8 10.4%
  • I can be Agent M.

    Votes: 6 7.8%

  • Total voters
    77
Whenever possible, I will buy products made in the US. Sometimes I will expand my criteria to ABC.
I'm basically cool with "not China and Russia", preferring the goods of our Canadian and Mexican brothers. I mean, it is obscenely difficult at times to find American made goods.

Eta: simple cotton clothing used to be a shoe-in for American made. Levi's, Hanes, you didn't even have to think about it. Damn near impossible now.
 
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I'm basically cool with "not China and Russia", preferring the goods of our Canadian and Mexican brothers. I mean, it is obscenely difficult at times to find American made goods.

Eta: simple cotton clothing used to be a shoe-in for American made. Levi's, Hanes, you didn't even have to think about it. Damn near impossible now.
Totally not a necessity... but do you have any idea how difficult it is to find basic yarn that's not from China? I've found some good sources, but yeah, it's a challenge. A whole lot of textiles end up being made in China... or they're treated as if they're exotic and rare gems commanding a high price. It's a little bit easier when I'm after wool, silk blends, or finer cottons... but acrylic, polyester, and basic cottons are really challenging. I ended up with a company out of Holland that has a really good selection of European, South American, and a smattering of specialized African or Asian yarns for most things. It just takes longer to get here, so I really have to plan ahead and make sure I order enough to get the project done.

My government issued spousal unit spends a lot of time combing through tools and RC parts for the same reason. At least the RC stuff has a handful of nichelike companies in the US for lots of it, but there end up being weird little bits that end up coming from West Taiwan no matter what. And the zombie brands when it comes to tools can be a challenge.
 
I'm basically cool with "not China and Russia", preferring the goods of our Canadian and Mexican brothers. I mean, it is obscenely difficult at times to find American made goods.

Eta: simple cotton clothing used to be a shoe-in for American made. Levi's, Hanes, you didn't even have to think about it. Damn near impossible now.

It's new to me that people really look and pay attention to where things are made. It's especially ironic considering those same people will have no issue just buying ◊◊◊◊ from Wal-Mart, which has destroyed more small businesses than anyone will know.

Do you really check the "made by" tag on all the stuff you buy? I don't even shop in person anymore lol. I have two orders coming to my house today and I couldn't tell you where a single product that I ordered is made.

The good news is we should have a lot more "made in USA" products available in the near future because most of our trade partners are doing everything in their power to find someone else to pick up the slack. Reading around the news I've seen a few claims that Mexico and Canada are saying ◊◊◊◊ the US and looking outside for solutions.
 
It's new to me that people really look and pay attention to where things are made. It's especially ironic considering those same people will have no issue just buying ◊◊◊◊ from Wal-Mart, which has destroyed more small businesses than anyone will know.
I think you might be making a false assumption here. The people I know who care about where things are made don't shop at Wal-Mart... specifically because of Wal-Marts borderline predatory business practices as well as because almost everything in the store is made in China.
Do you really check the "made by" tag on all the stuff you buy? I don't even shop in person anymore lol. I have two orders coming to my house today and I couldn't tell you where a single product that I ordered is made.
Yes, I actually check the tags. I'm not a fan of child slavery, I'm not a fan of forced labor, and I do my damnedest to avoid providing financial support to any countries that engage in such.
The good news is we should have a lot more "made in USA" products available in the near future because most of our trade partners are doing everything in their power to find someone else to pick up the slack. Reading around the news I've seen a few claims that Mexico and Canada are saying ◊◊◊◊ the US and looking outside for solutions.
I'm happy to have more made in the USA products. Not only does it ensure safe working environments and reasonable quality controls, it also provides jobs to US citizens and reduces the likelihood of supply-chain interruptions.
 
It's new to me that people really look and pay attention to where things are made. It's especially ironic considering those same people will have no issue just buying ◊◊◊◊ from Wal-Mart, which has destroyed more small businesses than anyone will know.

Do you really check the "made by" tag on all the stuff you buy? I don't even shop in person anymore lol. I have two orders coming to my house today and I couldn't tell you where a single product that I ordered is made.
Honestly: yes, I do and have since I was a teen. When I was a Union Carpenter, it was unthinkable not to have anything not Made in USA (also, Chinese made tended to be junk). After Nike and their sweatshops got well known, it cranked up a notch. With China being our kinda sorta enemy, it's still very much a factor, but admittedly sometimes impossible, especially after they relaxed regulations where the country of origin had to be stated on the product.

Recently, I saw my Gillette razor blades were made in freaking Russia. I mean wtf.
The good news is we should have a lot more "made in USA" products available in the near future because most of our trade partners are doing everything in their power to find someone else to pick up the slack. Reading around the news I've seen a few claims that Mexico and Canada are saying ◊◊◊◊ the US and looking outside for solutions.
Bittersweet ◊◊◊◊, right there.
 
Totally not a necessity... but do you have any idea how difficult it is to find basic yarn that's not from China? I've found some good sources, but yeah, it's a challenge. A whole lot of textiles end up being made in China... or they're treated as if they're exotic and rare gems commanding a high price. It's a little bit easier when I'm after wool, silk blends, or finer cottons... but acrylic, polyester, and basic cottons are really challenging. I ended up with a company out of Holland that has a really good selection of European, South American, and a smattering of specialized African or Asian yarns for most things. It just takes longer to get here, so I really have to plan ahead and make sure I order enough to get the project done.

My government issued spousal unit spends a lot of time combing through tools and RC parts for the same reason. At least the RC stuff has a handful of nichelike companies in the US for lots of it, but there end up being weird little bits that end up coming from West Taiwan no matter what. And the zombie brands when it comes to tools can be a challenge.
I hear this. Usually I just try to buy from, as you say, nations that are not unapologetically evil. Allies are fine. My spirit levels, by choice, are all from a German manufacturer (also happen to be the best on the planet).

I want American, but I get that it's not always gonna happen. As long as we have country of origin as a conscious factor before buying, it's prob the best we can be expected to do.
 
I want American, but I get that it's not always gonna happen. As long as we have country of origin as a conscious factor before buying, it's prob the best we can be expected to do.
It annoys me that my Japanese car built in Tennessee is "foreign" but a Ford built in Mexico is "American".
 
I hear this. Usually I just try to buy from, as you say, nations that are not unapologetically evil. Allies are fine. My spirit levels, by choice, are all from a German manufacturer (also happen to be the best on the planet).
DeWalt? That's my spouse's favored brand when he can justify the expense to me.
I want American, but I get that it's not always gonna happen. As long as we have country of origin as a conscious factor before buying, it's prob the best we can be expected to do.
Yep
 
DeWalt? That's my spouse's favored brand when he can justify the expense to me.
Stabila for levels. Dewalt is an old school American company that used to manufacture all their tools in the States, but are now almost entirely Chinese. They have a few still made here (my reciprocating saw is one). Good quality, but IMHO not always the best. Makita is my personal fave.
 
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Stabila for levels. Dewalt is an old school American company that used to manufacture all their tools in the States, but are now almost entirely Chinese. They have a few still made here (my reciprocating saw is one). Good quality, but IMHO not always the best. Makita is my personal fave.
Shows what I know about tools. I meant Hilti - I had to go look at it! And apparently it's Lichtenstein, which is close enough to German that I don't even feel bad for getting that DC-sized plot of land wrong.
 
It annoys me that my Japanese car built in Tennessee is "foreign" but a Ford built in Mexico is "American".
Why? The design is Japanese, the IP is Japanese. The process is Japanese. I bet a lot of the components are coming over from Japan. The guarantees of quality and performance are the guarantees of a Japanese company. How much credit should Americans get, for assembling a Japanese car to Japanese specs?

How much credit should Mexico get, for assembling an American car to American specs?
 
i thought the label was almost always in reference to the manufacturing jobs these companies provided assembling the product.
 
Why? The design is Japanese, the IP is Japanese. The process is Japanese. I bet a lot of the components are coming over from Japan. The guarantees of quality and performance are the guarantees of a Japanese company. How much credit should Americans get, for assembling a Japanese car to Japanese specs?

How much credit should Mexico get, for assembling an American car to American specs?
If one's interlocutor is haranguing one for "not buying American" it's usually in the context of labor: jobs and pay. In case of American-built cars, that labor is Americans, in America, being paid American money which they then spend on American goods and services. From that perspective it is better for America and Americans to purchase the "foreign" car in my example.

Who actually cares where the design comes from? Is that a hot political issue where you live?
 
I'm happy to have more made in the USA products. Not only does it ensure safe working environments and reasonable quality controls, it also provides jobs to US citizens and reduces the likelihood of supply-chain interruptions.

I, also, look at the world through rose-colored glasses. You think all this ◊◊◊◊ is going to bring manufacturing back to the US? With no one to purchase our goods, you think we can sustain a growing manufacturing sector? Alienating all of our trading partners is a good thing to you guys? That makes sense to you? You don't think that's going to have a massive, massive impact on American jobs when we have a fraction of our goods being exported because every country hates us for cozying up to Russia, and alienating our allies, but I should give a ◊◊◊◊ about buying something from China? Because of, what was it, child labor? The US is hanging Ukrainians out to dry unless they agree to our blackmail for their countries rare Earth metals but if I buy Made in US products then I guess I'm supporting the "good guys"? Sorry, moral grandstanding doesn't do much for me when we live in a country run by one of the most morally bankrupt ◊◊◊◊◊ I've ever seen.

Once the US gets its own ◊◊◊◊ in order I'll start worrying about buying ◊◊◊◊ from China or Russia. Especially since Russia isn't the enemy anymore according to our POTUS.
 
I, also, look at the world through rose-colored glasses. You think all this ◊◊◊◊ is going to bring manufacturing back to the US? With no one to purchase our goods, you think we can sustain a growing manufacturing sector? Alienating all of our trading partners is a good thing to you guys? That makes sense to you? You don't think that's going to have a massive, massive impact on American jobs when we have a fraction of our goods being exported because every country hates us for cozying up to Russia, and alienating our allies, but I should give a ◊◊◊◊ about buying something from China? Because of, what was it, child labor? The US is hanging Ukrainians out to dry unless they agree to our blackmail for their countries rare Earth metals but if I buy Made in US products then I guess I'm supporting the "good guys"? Sorry, moral grandstanding doesn't do much for me when we live in a country run by one of the most morally bankrupt ◊◊◊◊◊ I've ever seen.

Once the US gets its own ◊◊◊◊ in order I'll start worrying about buying ◊◊◊◊ from China or Russia. Especially since Russia isn't the enemy anymore according to our POTUS.
The focus is the workers, not the government. Like, the beer I drink is from my two local microbreweries. Hell, I know a couple guys that work in them. Solid jobs for my neighbors, pumping cash into the local economy, that kind of thing. Knowing they are good paying jobs in good working conditions is a meaningful incentive for where I'm buying.
 
The focus is the workers, not the government. Like, the beer I drink is from my two local microbreweries. Hell, I know a couple guys that work in them. Solid jobs for my neighbors, pumping cash into the local economy, that kind of thing. Knowing they are good paying jobs in good working conditions is a meaningful incentive for where I'm buying.

Which is all fine and well. If that makes you feel better with regards to your purchasing habits then far be it from me to tell you you're wrong. I'm not taking issue with the overall premise you guys are talking about even though it's not important to me. I take issue with the sentence I quoted, which is the spin that alienating our trade partners is a good thing because it'll mean more made in USA products, as if we're the good guys in this scenario. We're not. We're the baddies and I personally find it to be virtue signaling. That's it, that's my opinion.
 
With no one to purchase our goods, you think we can sustain a growing manufacturing sector?
What do you mean, no one to purchase our goods? There are 340 million Americans. That's a lot of people to purchase our goods.

And that's assuming that we don't have any foreign markets. Which is a bad assumption.
Alienating all of our trading partners is a good thing to you guys?
Getting our trading partners to lower their tariffs on US goods is a good thing for the US. Which is the point of the tariff threat. Trump has been quite open about this. His goal isn't to have high tariffs on imports to the US, his goal is to get others to have lower tariffs on imports from the US. US tariffs are the leverage he's using to try to make that happen. And he might succeed. He's going to piss people off, but that's hardly the only important metric. When someone is taking advantage of you and you stand up for yourself, that will piss them off, but oh well.
You don't think that's going to have a massive, massive impact on American jobs when we have a fraction of our goods being exported because every country hates us for cozying up to Russia, and alienating our allies, but I should give a ◊◊◊◊ about buying something from China?
You seem to be rather inconsistent here. You think Europeans won't buy American goods because they don't like America, but you expect Americans will keep buying Chinese goods despite not liking China. Why? Are European consumers more noble, more principled, more patriotic than American consumers? No, I don't think so.

Europeans won't buy American goods if their tariffs make our goods too expensive. They will buy American goods if our goods are competitive on price. That's why Americans buy Chinese goods, because they are competitive on price. They may bitch and complain, but if the price is right, they will still buy. That's how trade works.
 
Which is all fine and well. If that makes you feel better with regards to your purchasing habits then far be it from me to tell you you're wrong. I'm not taking issue with the overall premise you guys are talking about even though it's not important to me. I take issue with the sentence I quoted, which is the spin that alienating our trade partners is a good thing because it'll mean more made in USA products, as if we're the good guys in this scenario. We're not. We're the baddies and I personally find it to be virtue signaling. That's it, that's my opinion.
OK, I repect that, and it certainly can be true. The jeans I am wearing right now are Lee brand, made in Mexico. I chose the brand because it comes from one of our trading partners, that we have (had) a healthy and mutually beneficial relationship with. Same with a lot of lumber I buy; it comes from Canada, which is another solid hommie that rates for me right up there with buying domestic.

My issue comes with China and Russia. We should avoid supply-side reliance on our actual adversaries, no matter who is in the Executive branch right now. Our dependence on Chinese products has gotten to the point where they could cripple us at will. I think it's important to encourage domestic production, again no matter who is in the Oval office for four years. In 2028, we will hopefully have a change of party and restore healthy relationships, but building domestic factories etc takes time. It needs to start now, or even better, 20 years ago. Trump will be gone and we will be respected again.
 

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