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Split Thread Trump-Kennedy center sues artist for cancelling because of name change

JayUtah said:
Ticket sales are down across the board. I wouldn't be surprised if Donald Trump simply wants to put the Kennedy Center out of business for what he perceived as personal snubs against him during his first term.
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Wouldn't be surprising, but also seems far-fetched. Mostly, I don't believe Trump thinks that associating their name with things would cause a business to lose money.
 
Emily's Cat said:
No, only the ones that were directly complicit in nazi activities or were started as a direct result of Hitler's actions.
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So after 80 years after the end of the war and denazification by the occupying powers, the companies still employ and are run by literal nazis?
No reconstruction reorganization or rebuilding of them by the occupying powers? Literal nazis still staffing them?
 
Emily's Cat said:
Wouldn't be surprising, but also seems far-fetched. Mostly, I don't believe Trump thinks that associating their name with things would cause a business to lose money.
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I don't think Trump gives a rat's ass about the Kennedy Center's profitability, or even who appears there. Retribution is what drives him - he's a spiteful bastard. So he has his name on the building now, above the original "owner's" name. So he "owns" it, in his mind. He wins. Loss of ticket sales?? Could not give a ◊◊◊◊.
 
I may previously have said I've been told I shouldn't have bought a Japanese car "because of what they did in the war". As my car was built in Hiroshima, I'm calling it even.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Wouldn't be surprising, but also seems far-fetched. Mostly, I don't believe Trump thinks that associating their name with things would cause a business to lose money.
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Norman Alexander said:
I don't think Trump gives a rat's ass about the Kennedy Center's profitability, or even who appears there. Retribution is what drives him - he's a spiteful bastard. So he has his name on the building now, above the original "owner's" name. So he "owns" it, in his mind. He wins. Loss of ticket sales?? Could not give a ◊◊◊◊.
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Yes, actually this makes more sense.

Donald Trump's business model is just to slap his brand on something. So he's slapping his brand on the Kennedy Center.
 
Andy_Ross said:
So after 80 years after the end of the war and denazification by the occupying powers, the companies still employ and are run by literal nazis?
No reconstruction reorganization or rebuilding of them by the occupying powers? Literal nazis still staffing them?
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Germany has a universal healthcare system, so people live a lot longer there.
 
Norman Alexander said:
I don't think Trump gives a rat's ass about the Kennedy Center's profitability, or even who appears there. Retribution is what drives him - he's a spiteful bastard. So he has his name on the building now, above the original "owner's" name. So he "owns" it, in his mind. He wins. Loss of ticket sales?? Could not give a ◊◊◊◊.
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Don't worry, he's only above JFK's name as a temporary measure. Until he can get JFK removed.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Adolf Hitler's been dead eighty years, Elon Musk is alive and being paid from the proceeds of Tesla cars. That seems slightly different to me.
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this should go without saying but somehow needed to be said.

plus if you don’t want to buy a volkswagen because of hitler, then don’t. i’m not going to act like i don’t understand what you’re saying even if i don’t agree. or maybe i do, it’s pretty easy to get me to not like garbage companies. i hate volkswagen and tesla, now what? or go buy a tesla too, it’s your money and your decision.

i think using what tiny bit of power you have to exert the change you want to see is maybe the only thing you can do in this world that matters. for better or for worse.
 
i think it’s the title of a news article, of which is a cautionary tale of generally much more minor consequence than is typical of taking the trump admin at their word
 
Andy_Ross said:
Richard Grenell, the Kennedy Center's president, called the cancellations "a form of derangement syndrome".

He said that the artists cancelling shows "were booked by the previous far left leadership".

"Their actions prove that the previous team was more concerned about booking far left political activists rather than artists willing to perform for everyone regardless of their political beliefs," he added.

www.bbc.co.uk

Artists cancel Kennedy Center shows after Trump name change - BBC News

A jazz group cancels their New Year’s Eve shows at the Washington arts institution, days after a Christmas Eve concert was called off.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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IANAL but that sounds like a very useful statement for the defence.
 
Donald reposting attacks on the Kennedy family and the Kennedy Centre.
Won't be long till he ditches the Kennedy name altogether.

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Holding people responsible for the things their ancestors did is the root of a lot of irrational prejudice, not to mention more than a few entirely unnecessary wars.

Nobody alive today is responsible for the things done by people long dead, even if they're direct descendants of them. They are only responsible for their own actions.

I will certainly take things like the current employment policies of car manufacturers, and whose pockets the profits it makes are likely to end up in, into account when choosing which car to buy. I don't see the relevance of what they were 80 years ago to that decision.
 
JayUtah said:
Ticket sales are down across the board. I wouldn't be surprised if Donald Trump simply wants to put the Kennedy Center out of business for what he perceived as personal snubs against him during his first term.
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I doubt it: Trump would not put his name on institutions that he wants to fail.
Emily's Cat said:
Mostly, I don't believe Trump thinks that associating their name with things would cause a business to lose money.
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Indeed. Trump is convinced by the polls that his sycophants show him that he is the most popular president for the last 10,000 years, and the thought that his name is not associated with huge success simply does not occur to him. Like Grenell, he probably believes that when the "far left" artists stay away, the Trump Kennedy Center will be even more successful.
 
Buying a Tesla today actually funds money to fascist movements all over the world. Buying a Volkswagen probably does not have the same negative effect.

Buying tickets for a concert in the Trump Kennedy Center will likely give the impression that you support the name change and the new ideology that drives the Center, and artists that are against hatred do not want to be associated with this ideology. So if you support Trump and fascism, you know where to buy your cars, and go to concerts.
 
steenkh said:
I doubt it: Trump would not put his name on institutions that he wants to fail.

Indeed. Trump is convinced by the polls that his sycophants show him that he is the most popular president for the last 10,000 years, and the thought that his name is not associated with huge success simply does not occur to him. Like Grenell, he probably believes that when the "far left" artists stay away, the Trump Kennedy Center will be even more successful.
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Biggest ticket sales ever.
 
yeah i suppose in that sense it’s a little silly to be mad at volkswagen for such a distant event. everyone involved is long dead. hopefully we can come up with a better example of hypocrisy to own the libs.

but on the other hand, if the ceo of volkswagen were to give a public speech and sig heil at the end of it i’d probably say that’s bad. but that kind of unhinged behavior wouldn’t happen so it’s kind of pointless to talk about it. a ceo of a major auto manufacturer wouldn’t sig heil publicly

people are complicated
 
The once prestigious arts center now has one booked event into June 2026.

Everyone else bailed out despite the threat of a million dollar lawsuit. New bookings aren't looking good.

Ticket sales and other promised money's are being revoked from rich patrons. Non profit, not likely. It was 50 grand for a front row season ticket.

Smearing that smeg over JFK's name on the building has real disadvantages.
 
8enotto said:
Everyone else bailed out despite the threat of a million dollar lawsuit. New bookings aren't looking good.
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Which to the right only proves that all such artists are Trump-hating liberals who booked the Kennedy Center only because of its obvious far-left politics tied to the Biden and Kennedy crime families blah blah blah. The first concert I attended at the Kennedy Center was some visiting orchestra playing the music of that arch-liberal Anton Bruckner.

I'm puzzled at why Pres. Trump's supporters think this is just a benign name change that shouldn't bother artists or patrons. That's certainly not the Trump regime's position. Trump is expressly trying to repurpose the Center according to his own aesthetic (musically and architecturally) which for some reason cannot be separated from the regime's obsession over its own notion of political correctness. His supporters see it as perfectly normal that a sitting President should rename national monuments after himself, instead of that being obviously creepy and narcissistic. If someone has a completely normal reaction to such displays of apparent psychopathy, they're dismissed as "deranged"—just like ordinary people who balk at the sudden hyper-politicization of their previously apolitical institutions are decried as inappropriate "political activists."

As a musician, actor, and other such pursuits I've been invited (nay, even hired) to perform at venues owned and operated by the Mormon church. I've never been made to feel unwelcome or uncomfortable, nor has it been even remotely implied that my participation endorses the church's religious or political messages. The theater just up the street from me sports a former Mormon prophet as its major patron; a handsome oil painting of him hangs in the lobby. Yet this doesn't stop the theater from presenting productions with themes that are thoroughly in contrast with Mormon values. When The Book of Mormon musical was staged, the church just took it in stride and bought advertising in the playbill. Maybe serious people don't want to be associated in any way with a toddler suddenly throwing a self-centered tantrum. If the toddler is making an otherwise unrelated organization a pawn in that tantrum, then those people will be given little choice to but to treat the organization the way the toddler is demanding it be treated.

The arts have previously coexisted with politics by maintaining respectfully blind eyes in both directions. In the case of the Kennedy Center, this detente has succeeded for decades through many political vicissitudes. The sudden shift in the attitudes of prospective artists happens to coincide with the sudden decision that the Kennedy Center constitutes some national artistic and architectural crisis that only Donald Trump can fix. Trump has convinced himself that he is the epitome of all good taste. But the fact remains that people who go to Lee Greenwood concerts don't generally want to do so in a marble building with plush carpets and chandeliers. If the Kennedy Center wants to maintain patronage, it can't do so by bluntly alienating the people that enliven the patronage.
 
steenkh said:
I doubt it: Trump would not put his name on institutions that he
wants to fail.

Indeed. Trump is convinced by the polls that his sycophants show him that he is the most popular president for the last 10,000 years, and the thought that his name is not associated with huge success simply does not occur to him. Like Grenell, he probably believes that when the "far left" artists stay away, the Trump Kennedy Center will be even more successful.
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Not exactly "wants" but he usually doesn't give two ◊◊◊◊◊ about whether someone makes money by licencing his name or not as long as he gets his money. The list of Donald Trump named endeavours that have failed is pretty much the list of all the Trump named endeavours.
 
And on the other hand, there may be lots of large corporations and billionaires who will now want to contribute to a Donald J. Trump Center for the Performing Arts, just as they're lining up to contribute to the Donald J. Trump Memorial Ballroom being built over the rubble of the East Wing. In trying to divine Pres. Trump's motives, keeping in mind that it's all just a big grift to him seems prudent.
 
JayUtah said:
Yes, I take back what I said. It makes more sense to believe that Trump is rebranding the center in expectation of wild success after the departure of all the woke.
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I'm sure it'll be a roaring success with all the artists queuing up to play their. What's that? Ted Nugent's doing a one year residence as part of the 'Desicated Corpse Animated Only By Hate Tour', with special guests Kid Rock and Hulk Hogan? You order the tickets while I drive these nails into my ears...
 
Darat said:
Not exactly "wants" but he usually doesn't give two ◊◊◊◊◊ about whether someone makes money by licencing his name or not as long as he gets his money. The list of Donald Trump named endeavours that have failed is pretty much the list of all the Trump named endeavours.
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I'm reminded of that bit in Goodfellas about having Paulie as a partner "What, business bad? ◊◊◊◊ you pay me. You had a fire? ◊◊◊◊ you pay me. You got struck by lightning? ◊◊◊◊ you pay me." I think he's close to the 'torch the country and claim the insurance' stage.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
I'm sure it'll be a roaring success with all the artists queuing up to play their. What's that? Ted Nugent's doing a one year residence as part of the 'Desicated Corpse Animated Only By Hate Tour', with special guests Kid Rock andHulk Hogan? You order the tickets while I drive these nails into my ears...
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Surely the highlighted would be taking the desiccated corpse thing a bit too literally.
 
JayUtah said:
Which to the right only proves that all such artists are Trump-hating liberals who booked the Kennedy Center only because of its obvious far-left politics tied to the Biden and Kennedy crime families blah blah blah. The first concert I attended at the Kennedy Center was some visiting orchestra playing the music of that arch-liberal Anton Bruckner.

I'm puzzled at why Pres. Trump's supporters think this is just a benign name change that shouldn't bother artists or patrons. That's certainly not the Trump regime's position. Trump is expressly trying to repurpose the Center according to his own aesthetic (musically and architecturally) which for some reason cannot be separated from the regime's obsession over its own notion of political correctness. His supporters see it as perfectly normal that a sitting President should rename national monuments after himself, instead of that being obviously creepy and narcissistic. If someone has a completely normal reaction to such displays of apparent psychopathy, they're dismissed as "deranged"—just like ordinary people who balk at the sudden hyper-politicization of their previously apolitical institutions are decried as inappropriate "political activists."

As a musician, actor, and other such pursuits I've been invited (nay, even hired) to perform at venues owned and operated by the Mormon church. I've never been made to feel unwelcome or uncomfortable, nor has it been even remotely implied that my participation endorses the church's religious or political messages. The theater just up the street from me sports a former Mormon prophet as its major patron; a handsome oil painting of him hangs in the lobby. Yet this doesn't stop the theater from presenting productions with themes that are thoroughly in contrast with Mormon values. When The Book of Mormon musical was staged, the church just took it in stride and bought advertising in the playbill. Maybe serious people don't want to be associated in any way with a toddler suddenly throwing a self-centered tantrum. If the toddler is making an otherwise unrelated organization a pawn in that tantrum, then those people will be given little choice to but to treat the organization the way the toddler is demanding it be treated.

The arts have previously coexisted with politics by maintaining respectfully blind eyes in both directions. In the case of the Kennedy Center, this detente has succeeded for decades through many political vicissitudes. The sudden shift in the attitudes of prospective artists happens to coincide with the sudden decision that the Kennedy Center constitutes some national artistic and architectural crisis that only Donald Trump can fix. Trump has convinced himself that he is the epitome of all good taste. But the fact remains that people who go to Lee Greenwood concerts don't generally want to do so in a marble building with plush carpets and chandeliers. If the Kennedy Center wants to maintain patronage, it can't do so by bluntly alienating the people that enliven the patronage.
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I've watched the Kennedy Center Honors show for decades. With George W Bush and his father before him as well as Clinton and Obama in the audience. It never was political before Trump. What matters was the contribution the honoree made to the performing arts. Hell, Barbara Streisand was honored in 2008 and George W. Bush was there smiling in the audience. It also honored conservative icons like Jimmy Stewart, Charlton Heston, and Clint Eastwood.
 
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