Cont: Transwomen are not women - part XI

[d4m10n]

Also, if Clinton had appeared on the podcasts of people who were openly extreme anti-democratic Marxists and said afterwards "Oh, I didn't realise" do you think anyone anywhere would have believed her?

I don't believe we can attribute the values/beliefs of show hosts to their interviewees or vice-versa. I've interviewed people who were diametrically opposed to each other on the issue at hand. All this guilt by association nonsense is incredibly shoddy thinking.

 

[d4m10n]

How did that work out for her?

She won the only nationwide contest by several million votes, but lost due to an archaic counting system designed to appease slaveholders.



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[d4m10n]

Please demonstrate this, with quotes.

Who needs quotes; we've got the transitive property of Nazism!

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[Robin]

A candidate for president might be more cautious than a mother of 4 advocating that her daughters are not likely to confront a naked biological male in the female changing rooms.
Or more particularly that it could happen only if an offence were being committed by said male, with the appropriate criminal redress options.

If I were advocating on behalf of my children I would be extremely cautious about with whom I associate myself. Extremely.

Why do you think that her, advocating for her daughters means she should be slipshod?

 

[Robin]

That's exactly what happened with Obama.

Obama appeared on a podcast hosted by someone expressing dangerous extremist views?

Or are you talking about this?

By the way, do you believe that when she went in his podcast, Keen-Minshull was unaware of details about Gariepy that were clearly available on his Wikipedia page?

 

[Samson]

If I were advocating on behalf of my children I would be extremely cautious about with whom I associate myself. Extremely.

Why do you think that her, advocating for her daughters means she should be slipshod?

In summary, she speaks for many people.
I know several, formerly leftist academics and writers. They all wish to hear people across the spectrum of abstract thought, and hold her to no high bar where associates are concerned. And these people are not shown to be associated.
Gender ideology is dangerous to youth in New Zealand, this is what these former lefties abhor.
They tend to be concerned specifically for their grand children and the anti science narrative that has leapt from the undergrowth.

 

[Robin]

I don't believe we can attribute the values/beliefs of show hosts to their interviewees or vice-versa. I've interviewed people who were diametrically opposed to each other on the issue at hand. All this guilt by association nonsense is incredibly shoddy thinking.

Have you appeared on a podcast or similar hosted by someone with dangerous extremist views? To talk about something besides those dangerous extremist views? A different thing altogether.

 

[Ziggurat]

Obama appeared on a podcast hosted by someone expressing dangerous extremist views?

No. He attended a church with a radical America-hating pastor for years. And then he claimed he didn't know that pastor had those radical views.

Or are you talking about this?

No, I wasn't referring to that, though that's certainly an issue too. But that fact check is bull ****, and is quite obviously stretching to reach a preferred conclusion. Ayers was a terrorist, and he never disavowed his terrorism. The fact that he's not still committing acts of terrorism isn't much of an excuse, and doesn't really invalidate that characterization. And their little qualifier about Obama not having "an ongoing relationship in the past three years" is a rather obvious cop-out because they absolutely did have a friendly relationship.

By the way, do you believe that when she went in his podcast, Keen-Minshull was unaware of details about Gariepy that were clearly available on his Wikipedia page?

Don't know, don't care. Nothing I've ever said depends on the answer, the answer doesn't even affect any argument I've ever made, and I'm not contesting your own conclusion on that.

 

[Robin]

In summary, she speaks for many people.
I know several, formerly leftist academics and writers. They all wish to hear people across the spectrum of abstract thought, and hold her to no high bar where associates are concerned. And these people are not shown to be associated.
Gender ideology is dangerous to youth in New Zealand, this is what these former lefties abhor.
They tend to be concerned specifically for their grand children and the anti science narrative that has leapt from the undergrowth.

I have spoken to many people with views diametrically opposed to mine. If those views are dangerous and extremist then I talk about the dangerous extremist views with them, not some other thing that we might agree with.

Again, if I was publicly advocating for a concern for my grandchildren I wouldn't be trying to grow my brand with dangerous extremists or letting them use me to grow their brand.

That would not do my grandchildren any good at all.

Suppose I was advocating for school bullying to be cracked down on.

So what do I do? Go on a podcast of a white supremacist and talk about school bullying with him?

Go on the YouTube channel of a far-right religious organisation and talk about school bullying with them?

Praise a well known Nazi for his support against school bullying?

Speak about school bullying at a conference organised by a well-funded right wing think tank who are working reverse gains made women and by gays and lesbians in the US?

That would seem utterly weird and counter-productive.

If I did that then I would expect people to be a little skeptical of my motives.

 

[Robin]

No, I wasn't referring to that, though that's certainly an issue too. But that fact check is bull ****, and is quite obviously stretching to reach a preferred conclusion. Ayers was a terrorist, and he never disavowed his terrorism. The fact that he's not still committing acts of terrorism isn't much of an excuse, and doesn't really invalidate that characterization. And their little qualifier about Obama not having "an ongoing relationship in the past three years" is a rather obvious cop-out because they absolutely did have a friendly relationship.

They knew each other and worked on a couple of organisations in common. He was once invited to a wedding to which Ayers was also invited. I can see nothing that suggests a friendly relationship.

 

[Robin]

Even Keen-Minshull herself agrees with the principle of what I am saying:

Had I known that this individual held white supremacy in such esteem I would have challenged him directly or chosen not to appear.'

The question is, is it credible that she didn't know beforehand?

And remember, it isn't an isolated event

 

[d4m10n]

Have you appeared on a podcast or similar hosted by someone with dangerous extremist views? To talk about something besides those dangerous extremist views?

PM for answers, I'm not going to assist the derail.


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[Robin]

No. He attended a church with a radical America-hating pastor for years. And then he claimed he didn't know that pastor had those radical views.

You are right on this one though.

 

[Robin]

PM for answers, I'm not going to assist the derail.

It's hardly a derail to ask if the gender critical side of the debate is being hijacked by right wing elements for purposes that have nothing to do with trans rights or women's rights or even purposes that are inimical to women's rights.

This is what we found out in the gay rights movement. Not everyone who was campaigning with us or offering help was a friend or someone who we should be associated with. The Socialist Workers Party at the relatively harmless end of that scale.

 

[Robin]

By the way, I have been watching out for the Auckland video where the man punches a woman to see when it is featured on Fox News or Sky News Australia or one of the media you would expect to run it. I didn't see it.

Did I miss it? Was it actually from that Auckland rally?

Does anyone have any follow up details about it when and where it was reported to the police. Did anyone approach the police to comment on it?

I am beginning to think that this was one of these hoaxed that the right are always perpetrating.

But I am willing to be shown I am wrong.

 

[d4m10n]

It's hardly a derail to ask if the gender critical side of the debate is being hijacked by right wing elements for purposes that have nothing to do with trans rights or women's rights or even purposes that are inimical to women's rights.

If you've evidence of said hijacking, post what the gender critical people actually said instead of continuing to pretend beliefs will rub off merely if you share a platform with someone else. If Keen-Minshull said something homophobic or racist, let's see it.

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[Robin]

If you've evidence of said hijacking, post what the gender critical people actually said instead of continuing to pretend beliefs will rub off merely if you share a platform with someone else. If Keen-Minshull said something homophobic or racist, let's see it.

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You don't understand the idea of the hijack is do you?

It is not what the hijacked have said it's what the hijackers are saying and that has been pretty evident.

I don't believe I have ever suggested Parker has far right views any more than I have suggested that Gariepy or The Heritage Foundation care about women's rights.

 

[Robin]

Bev Jackson of LGB Alliance is not so coy about these links.

Are you disgusted with feminists who have appeared in events organized by the Heritage Foundation and other rightwing groups? Perhaps you need to get informed as to the reasons they have for doing so. Please take the time to read the attached article before rushing to judgement.

...

Yes, my bad, I ran out of characters! �� But as a socialist feminist, I do find these alliances problematic. Take the Heritage Foundation. Many deeply anti-women policies. Yet it was their publicity that made it possible to launch a gender-critical movement in the US.

...

And take Julia Beck going on the Tucker Carlson show. TC is one of the most poisonous commentators in the US. Yet perhaps it was that interview that led Republicans to invite her to testify before the House Judiciary Committee, where she delivered wonderfully eloquent testimony.

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it's also introduced radical feminist ideas to many conservative and christian women which is never a bad thing. We are even seeing radical feminist takes on sex and gender being discussed in conservative media.

It's kind of cute that she thinks that conservative Christian women have never heard feminist ideas.

 

[smartcooky]

Please demonstrate this, with quotes.

Please tell me you are not so naive that you think people like Parker would ever actually say anything in public that could then be quoted against them. Even Hitler never actually stated in public that his plan was to exterminate all European Jews.

These people speak in code so that they can have plausible deniability.

 

[Samson]

Please tell me you are not so naive that you think people like Parker would ever actually say anything in public that could then be quoted against them. Even Hitler never actually stated in public that his plan was to exterminate all European Jews.

These people speak in code so that they can have plausible deniability.

By the way, I have been watching out for the Auckland video where the man punches a woman to see when it is featured on Fox News or Sky News Australia or one of the media you would expect to run it. I didn't see it.

Did I miss it? Was it actually from that Auckland rally?

Does anyone have any follow up details about it when and where it was reported to the police. Did anyone approach the police to comment on it?

I am beginning to think that this was one of these hoaxed that the right are always perpetrating.

But I am willing to be shown I am wrong.

There was an assault and police will certainly know the parties ID
Charges will be laid, but wheels grind slow.