Cont: Transwomen are not women - part XI

[qayak]

That's like.

"What medicine should we be treating this all these new illnesses with?"

"Why don't we stop dumping the effluent that is causing them into the water supply?""

"That's a different discussion "

Something in the water causes transgenderism and bullying of homosexuals? Who woulda thunk it? Does it cause anything else?

I don't understand that at all. Do grade school heteros get teased about liking members of the opposite sex?

Yes.

Does that lead to gender non-comformity? Is that a thing?

You tell me. I just assumed that bullying was bullying regardless of sexual orientation.

 

[Robin]

Yes.

By whom? Gay students?

 

[Robin]

Something in the water causes transgenderism and bullying of homosexuals? Who woulda thunk it? Does it cause anything else?

Why do you waste time with dimwitted replies like this??

 

[Robin]

When I was in primary school for the first 5 years the only boys who spent any time with girls were sissies like me

In the last year some of us had reached puberty so a lot more boys wanted to spend time with the girls.

I don't think they were being bullied. It would be a brave 6th grader who would bully them.

In any case, any bullying that is happening should be dealt with. I'm talking about the bullying which is relevant to the topi .

 

[Robin]

In Hannah Barnes's book homophobic bullying was mentioned again and again as being in the background of kids who were referred to GIDS.

So if caring about kids was really the motive, wouldn't everyone be trying to stop this at its source and institute a zero tolerance rule in all schools for any kind of bullying?

For example persistent bullies being locked out of any public funded school for good.

 

[smartcooky]

Something in the water causes transgenderism and bullying of homosexuals? Who woulda thunk it? Does it cause anything else?

I'm pretty sure you completely missed his point.

 

[smartcooky]

In Hannah Barnes's book homophobic bullying was mentioned again and again as being in the background of kids who were referred to GIDS.

So if caring about kids was really the motive, wouldn't everyone be trying to stop this at its source and institute a zero tolerance rule in all schools for any kind of bullying?

For example persistent bullies being locked out of any public funded school for good.

It is a stand up fight to even get schools to acknowledge that any kind of bullying is taking place, let alone any specific type, and even if they do, its another stand up fight to get them to do anything about it.

 

[Robin]

It is a stand up fight to even get schools to acknowledge that any kind of bullying is taking place, let alone any specific type, and even if they do, its another stand up fight to get them to do anything about it.

That's been my experience too. They make all the right noises about it at the beginning but when it happens it's like "Oh no, maybe he's a bit too sensitive about playground banter" or ,"a little rough and tumble is bound to happen but we stop it before it gets out of hand. One teacher at my school actually joined in the bullying.

 

[katy_did]

If Posie Parker is happy to hang out with Nazis with nary a word said against then I think we are free to make assumptions about her.

Currently my assumption is that she is scum. Sub-human scum.

Change my mind.

I've heard her speak out against them repeatedly, just one example here:

But this gathering included competing groups of woman-hating losers: trans incels to the left of me and Nazis to the right, and here we were stuck in the middle and blamed by the media and politicians for the Nazi salute that occurred. I’ve been asked following that incident whether I have sympathies with the far right, but seriously, who does? It’s a vile ideology and frankly anyone convinced by it in 2023 is pathetic.

I guess we can safely assume now that objections to Keen are not about anything she herself has said - as nothing is ever mentioned - but rather about who she supposedly aligns herself with. That gets a bit complicated when she's allegedly a homophobe yet frequently has gay women to speak at her events.

The TRA protesters should absolutely carry on though - they don't realize they're making Keen's point for her every time their aggressive, violent behaviour prevent her (and anyone else who disagrees with them) from speaking. Who are the fascists again?

 

[smartcooky]

That's been my experience too. They make all the right noises about it at the beginning but when it happens it's like "Oh no, maybe he's a bit too sensitive about playground banter" or ,"a little rough and tumble is bound to happen but we stop it before it gets out of hand. One teacher at my school actually joined in the bullying.

When my younger sister (9yrs) was getting bullied at school, my parents were at their wits end trying to get the school to accept it was happening, and do something about it, the school's attitude was "its just kids being kids" In this case it was a kid in the next class above her - he was the archetypal school bully; big and tall for his age and a little overweight. I was 13 and substantially bigger than him so I decided, somewhat foolishly, to take the matter into my own hands. I caught him on the footpath between our home and the school, trying to force her out into the traffic. I walked up behind him and decked him with a roundhouse punch to the side of his head.

I got in some real trouble for doing that, but, the bullying stopped, right there, that day.

 

[smartcooky]

I've heard her speak out against them repeatedly, just one example here:


I guess we can safely assume now that objections to Keen are not about anything she herself has said - as nothing is ever mentioned - but rather about who she supposedly aligns herself with. That gets a bit complicated when she's allegedly a homophobe yet frequently has gay women to speak at her events.

She also had an anti-trans activist guest speaker at a rally quoting from Mein Kampf

As I said, watch what she does, not what she says!

The TRA protesters should absolutely carry on though - they don't realize they're making Keen's point for her every time their aggressive, violent behaviour prevent her (and anyone else who disagrees with them) from speaking

This is what we call exercising free speech rights

Who are the fascists again?

You should look up the meaning of fascist because you clearly have no idea what it means.

 

[katy_did]

She also had an anti-trans activist guest speaker at a rally quoting from Mein Kampf

As I said, watch what she does, not what she says!

Do you have a link to what was said by this speaker and the full context?

I'm more interested in what she says than these shadowy allegations about things she's supposed to believe but never says.

And if the point is behaviour not speech, I see a bunch of people screaming fascist at anyone who disagrees with them, yet who behave far more like fascists than the people they're criticising. They're more fascist than the actual fascists.

 

[katy_did]

This is what we call exercising free speech rights

Free speech is using intimidating behaviour, aggression and violence to prevent someone from speaking. Got it. And when the fascists do it, you'll no doubt be just as supportive of their right to "free speech".

 

[Robin]

Do you have a link to what was said by this speaker and the full context?

I'm more interested in what she says than these shadowy allegations about things she's supposed to believe but never says.

And if the point is behaviour not speech, I see a bunch of people screaming fascist at anyone who disagrees with them, yet who behave far more like fascists than the people they're criticising. They're more fascist than the actual fascists.

Do you really think that going on the YouTube channel of a white supremacist.doesn't say something about that person's political outlook?

 

[smartcooky]

Do you have a link to what was said by this speaker and the full context?

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/16/newcastle-let-women-speak-rally-adolt-hitler-trans-speech/

I'm more interested in what she says than these shadowy allegations about things she's supposed to believe but never says.

FFS. She has actually advocated that men to go armed with guns into women's toilets to "protect" women from trans people. Posie Parker is bat-**** crazy and virulently anti-LGBTQ. She spreads hate and vitriol everywhere she goes, and should be shouted down at every opportunity

And if the point is behaviour not speech, I see a bunch of people screaming fascist at anyone who disagrees with them, yet who behave far more like fascists than the people they're criticising. They're more fascist than the actual fascists.

Nope, they scream fascist because of the company she keeps and the people she aligns herself with. She is, a racist and a bigot.

Also, if you want to talk about violence, one of her supporters attacked a 14 year old girl with bear spray at a rally in Portland OR. Meanwhile, tomato juice...


Watch what she does, not what she says.

 

[Robin]

Free speech is using intimidating behaviour, aggression and violence to prevent someone from speaking. Got it. And when the fascists do it, you'll no doubt be just as supportive of their right to "free speech".

Likewise would you condemn Keen-Minshull and Julia Long taunting and bullying Sarah McBride?
https://twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1090690292360142849

 

[Robin]

When my younger sister (9yrs) was getting bullied at school, my parents were at their wits end trying to get the school to accept it was happening, and do something about it, the school's attitude was "its just kids being kids" In this case it was a kid in the next class above her - he was the archetypal school bully; big and tall for his age and a little overweight. I was 13 and substantially bigger than him so I decided, somewhat foolishly, to take the matter into my own hands. I caught him on the footpath between our home and the school, trying to force her out into the traffic. I walked up behind him and decked him with a roundhouse punch to the side of his head.

I got in some real trouble for doing that, but, the bullying stopped, right there, that day.

It's funny how they suddenly start paying attention when we push back. It's no longer kids being kids. It stops being "character building" when you return the favour and help the bully build his character.

 

[d4m10n]

Posie Parker, however, faces no such restrictions. She is free to denounce the Nazis, white supremacists and other scumbags who show up to her rallies to support her. But she refuses to do so, because if they don't show up, hardly anyone else will either.

You are trying to infer what she affirmatively believes (e.g. homophobia) from the lack of denouncement of what someone else believes. That is an incredibly weak inference to make on a discussion board where people value evidence.

Here is Keen-Minshull's general take on denouncement:
https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1628726626883174401

You can argue that this is a bad stance to take, but you cannot expect anyone to believe that a failure to denounce counts as affirmation of other people's belief systems.

 

[katy_did]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/16/newcastle-let-women-speak-rally-adolt-hitler-trans-speech/

Thank you. The woman says that the trans activists are using a propaganda technique known as “the big lie”, a technique described and used by Hitler. In other words she's comparing the propaganda technique used by activists - the claim that "transwomen are women" - to that used by fascists. A definition of the "big lie":

The big lie is the name of a propaganda technique, originally coined by Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf, who says “The great masses of the people… will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one,” and denotes where a known falsehood is stated and repeated and treated as if it is self-evidently true, in hopes of swaying the course of an argument in a direction that takes the big lie for granted rather than critically questioning it or ignoring it.

Well-known forms of the big lie include Hitler’s use of antisemitism in Nazi propaganda (blaming Jews for all of Germany’s problems), communist propaganda blaming the ‘bourgeoisie’ for all workers’ problems, the frequent demonizing of the left-wing as communist and of the right-wing as fascist, also some populists blame refugees and immigrants as the source of all problems.

The woman was being pretty hyperbolic, but I think it's unlikely she was meaning to endorse Hitler (I mean, really? Do you honestly think that's what she was doing?).

FFS. She has actually advocated that men to go armed with guns into women's toilets to "protect" women from trans people. Posie Parker is bat-**** crazy and virulently anti-LGBTQ. She spreads hate and vitriol everywhere she goes, and should be shouted down at every opportunity

Well, she said men should protect women's toilets and “maybe you carry, maybe you don't”. Stupid thing to say and it's good she deleted it.

Interested in your evidence she's "virulently anti-LGBTQ”, given that she has plenty of lesbian women speaking and attending her rallies. The fascist group who went to the Melbourne rally believe she "promotes lesbianism", which they presumably think is a bad thing.

Nope, they scream fascist because of the company she keeps and the people she aligns herself with. She is, a racist and a bigot.

Also, if you want to talk about violence, one of her supporters attacked a 14 year old girl with bear spray at a rally in Portland OR. Meanwhile, tomato juice...


Watch what she does, not what she says.

Right, so she's "a racist and a bigot" because of the company she keeps. Not because of anything she herself has said. That's clear, at least.

 

[katy_did]

Do you really think that going on the YouTube channel of a white supremacist.doesn't say something about that person's political outlook?

No, I think it says something about who she's prepared to speak to. I don't think it necessarily means she shares those views. Here's what she had to say about it, for what it's worth:

Parker told PinkNews that she was asked to go on the show by Gariépy’s assistant, and that she gave his channel a cursory look and “nothing at the time stood out as anything unusual or problematic”.

She added: “I make it my business to avoid researching or policing the entire spectrum of someone’s views, I think the mutilation of healthy children’s bodies is too important, and so it’s not usual for me to do an FBI style background check.

“I am, of course, concerned at the accusations I have heard since recording the show. The misogyny was not something that surprised me, it is very much at home in both the left and the right of politics, whether it be the enforcement of traditional roles through to pretending we don’t know what a woman is.

“White supremacy and the racism that fuels it has no place in a civilised society, I abhor those views and the people that hold them. As a free speech advocate I think dialogue, even with those with the most odious prejudices, is essential. How are we ever to change or challenge them if we don’t engage? These days so many people are called Nazis and far right that the prophetic warning that we will no longer recognise the real ones is beginning to come true.”

It would be entirely reasonable to argue you shouldn't give any publicity to the likes of Gariépy by agreeing to be interviewed by him, but I wouldn't jump from there to assuming she shares his views, no.