Merged rlopez2's thread to discuss recent history

[rlopez2]

now you're claiming Wikipedia lists to be ultimate sources of truth.

First notice how you are inserting the adjective "ultimate" and claiming to have read my mind.

The last one was denying USG had won the cold war, when they themselves have kept bragging about it till this very day. Are you also denying wikipedia as a credible source historical data?

What are your sources? U.S. Star wars movies? History books? Which ones?

 

[rlopez2]

it seems that folks are trying to have a conversation with someone who just isn't familiar enough with the concept to meaningfully reciprocate

another mind reader?

 

[Hans]

Though you have to be able to parse it and then grasp the point it's trying to make before you can discover that it's garbage.

The whole thing seems to boil down to "Since the USA thinks it's an invincible force for good, how come it hasn't started WWIII against the communist nuclear powers?". This is a strawman of such audacious doltishness that it's hard to believe that's really what he meant.

Yet that is what he is screaming about - totally trollish

 

[Hans]

another mind reader?

We don't need to read your mind we can see the childish gibberish you write.

I mean do you think anyone here is taking this kinder grade level trolling using bad words and twisted history as real posting?

Nope

 

[rlopez2]

Wait? No one has said that video of the very Adolf Hitler mercilessly making collective fun of your darling President Roosevelt is fake? There are more such videos you may also find disturbing.

 

[rlopez2]

where are the "twisted histories"? or is it you have been twisted so much that now you can't see reality as it is?
By the way, did you finish packing, getting ready to go tell China "Hello? this is Amerika!" as Reagan used to say? Don't forget to take MacArthur's map with the suggested places where to nuke China, if you want to I could help you find it.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Also here is the ultimate defining truth about what I think you are talking about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

I see you've moved on from your previous nonsense, refusing to acknowledge questions etc, and now you're claiming Wikipedia lists to be ultimate sources of truth.

First notice how you are inserting the adjective "ultimate" [...]

Nope.

Dave

 

[Axxman300]

Thank you. I think I had read that data most probably from:

https://www.google.com/search?q=site:theIntercept.com+APA+torture

or

https://www.google.com/search?q=site:theguardian.com+APA+torture

I meant by the "intelligence community" as Obama calls them. I once read an article reporting some statistics about most psycho graduates including as their professional options working for them (CIA/FBI/*PDs/NSA,...) Unfortunately I couldn't find it now.

I found this which relates to what I mean:

https://www.apa.org/monitor/apr02/cia

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/14/apa-senior-officials-torture-report-cia

All three were implicated in the 542-page report:
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/jul/11/american-psychological-association-torture-report
issued this month by former federal prosecutor David Hoffman, who concluded that APA leaders “colluded” with the US department of defense and aided the CIA in loosening professional ethics and other guidelines to permit psychologist participation in torture.

I will keep looking for that article

 

[rlopez2]

I have reporting him for spamming, as have several others I believe.

Well, that is all you have going for yourself after falsely believing "the allies" won ww2, denying that gringos won the cold war, questioning the veracity of well known historical data published by wikipedia and watching that video from which you can learn first hand what nazis thought of that "alliance".

By the way those people talking on that documentary are historians themselves and they admit that Hitler was mocking the U.S. President and that Roosevelt knew that he was publicly mocking him.

I will try to find Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's reaction about gringos telling him they had won the war for Russia! Even if he had written extensively about Russian abuses and excesses those kinds of "alternate facts" seem to have been a bit much for him.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

OK, then she can't be that movie's screenwriter



I am not "desperate" to attack psychiatry. Like with politicians I don't give a **** about them. They are impostors not only to me but the whole scientific community. They were the naziest of them all, have always been. "They work with people", mind you. As I said they even make fun of themselves/their profession!

Absurd nonsense. The psychiatric profession helps people. They helped me, as I've had two stints in therapy. You're just raving nonsense now.

You keep pushing the scientology party line, even linking to their joke of a documentary where they lie endlessly. If you're not a scientologist then you're certainly doing a good impression of one.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Wait, the allies didn't win the Second World War? The Axis won?

Weird, I could have sworn Hitler shot himself in his bunker because the Soviets were closing in.

I distinctly recall reading about some trials as well, place in Germany, tip of my tongue...Nuremburg, that's it. Nuremburg trials. Bit weird for the winners of a war to be put on trial for war crimes and executed isn't it?

 

[TheSupermeerkat]

Well, that is all you have going for yourself after falsely believing "the allies" won ww2,

Nobody here has done that. You are lying.

You are an amusement to us and you will end up getting banned when your foolishness goes too far.

What do think you are you trying to achieve?

 

[Hans]

More false statements and attempts at deception to get people to respond to him...sad

 

[Hans]

Wait, the allies didn't win the Second World War? The Axis won?

Weird, I could have sworn Hitler shot himself in his bunker because the Soviets were closing in.

I distinctly recall reading about some trials as well, place in Germany, tip of my tongue...Nuremburg, that's it. Nuremburg trials. Bit weird for the winners of a war to be put on trial for war crimes and executed isn't it?

He wants to leap out and tell you the Soviets could have won the war by themselves (and some how they aren't white folks), defeating the Axis including the Japanese all by themselves....

Its all endless troll baiting

 

[rlopez2]

Absurd nonsense. The psychiatric profession helps people. They helped me

Are you sure about it?

Wait, the allies didn't win the Second World War? The Axis won?

OK, I assume here you are not trying to be persuasive, but just being stupid. You are the ones here with the superior mind power and English mastery, right?

I think it was Clever Hans the one who was talking about "the allies" ... and I was telling him about what that alliance meant in reality and how different it was in what they achieved including that right after the war's end its freedom loving members got all "strategic" and "brave" and started to drop so many candies on defenseless civilians (as Nazis themselves had never done!) that they, just to cite a small city, Pforzheim, indiscriminately "freedom loved" 21,600 people in 12 minutes.

Well, that is all you have going for yourself after falsely believing "the allies" won ww2

Nobody here has done that. You are lying.

Nobody? I am lying? As someone else had said. I expect you to get upset when your illusions of greatness, bravery, … and all of that are challenged, but I am lying? Also, you always talk from an illusive higher ground if I am "lying", why not exposing my lies?

You are an amusement to us

Thank you and you and other people might see the extent to which you have reciprocated the amusement.

and you will end up getting banned when your foolishness goes too far

Thank you again and obviously you have no other recourse, than making yourself the arbiter of what is foolish and what goes too far from that illusive higher ground from which you apparently see yourself, what goes on/other people.

What do think you are you trying to achieve?

Typical question.

You had said before that you were understanding my points fine, no?

People running into this thread in the future will certainly have their own ideas about the different points, comments and reactions in this thread. They might see them as source of Anthropology.
~
BTW, the video "Ex-CIA Carl Clark admits to surveilling and stalking innocent persons" is not the one I meant, the thing is that my Internet connection at times is not good and I had no way of checking it. It used the same icon as another video I knew of. The Carl Clark pdf document and the ones from theIntercept are true.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Yes, yes I'm sure. I suffer from mental health problems and I have been helped tremendously through medication and therapy.


As for WWII, if the allies didn't win the war, the Axis must have. Of course the allies won the war.

Did they do some morally questionable things in doing so? Absolutely. Were they on the same scale as the Nazis? Nope. In fact the only allied state that came close was the USSR under Stalin.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Lots of stuff about WW2 and the Allies not fighting until D-Day?

Apart from the Battle of the Atlantic, Battle of Britain, fighting in the Middle East, fighting in the Far East against Japan, fighting in the Pacific against Japan, Mediterranean against Italy, the Invasion of Italy and war in North Africa against Italy and Germany you mean?

The other allied powers were not responsible for the wasteful tactics employed by the USSR.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Also here is the ultimate defining truth about what I think you are talking about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

How well do Britain and the U.S. rank in "involvement"?

Well, places 17th and 18th. Some other interesting data they include in that chart is the total prewar population and deaths as % of the prewar population, which I think should be used as reference to foot such comparisons. This is my basis to demonstrably and measurably show that freedom lovers have been 10 times more genocidal than nazis.

It is definitely not the same to say that 507,000 to 807,000 Greeks died than 450,900 British people or 419,400 gringos, because the UK's pre war population was more than 6 times and the U.S. more than 14 times greater than Griechenland.

I think those charts should separate the European from the Asian part of WW2 not only because of geographic reasons, but the political causes and consequences are different to some extent as well. The causes, "reasons" why Japan started the war can't be compared to Germany's.

Britain was not occupied so civilian deaths were only due to air raids. US was not even bombed so civilian casualties can't be compared.
As for military casualties. How can the wasteful tactics of one country be blamed on another?

Why do you not include the war against Japan? It is called a World War for a reason.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Y'know, I'm no longer thinking our "Lopez" friend is Spanish at all. He lies comprehensively about his own background, education and profession. He uses terms that are far more appropriate for an American resident than a Spaniard. I get the impression he posts more on a US than European clock. And there is that distinct Scientology vibe happening throughout - specific, lunatic, nasty prejudices combined with extreme ignorance and hate - that come only from involvement in cult centres. I'm getting a more definite lean towards...Scientology headquarters in California...

 

[dudalb]

Amusing. Spain made no profit from it's colonies.

Spain made huge profits from it's colonies in the sixteenth century, but threw it down the tube in an endless series of wars in Europe, A lot of the gold they got from Mexico and Peru went down with the Spanish Armada.