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Merged rlopez2's thread to discuss recent history

If you didn't have a job you would notice I very obviously meant in the long run. Look at Spain today!

So Spain's abuse and exploitation of the peoples they encountered in the Americas was forgivable because they weren't able to turn enough of a profit to stay a world military and economic power into the present age.

[Lionel Hutz]Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, sure, my client did run an extortion ring that took hundreds of thousands of dollars from numerous victims through threats of violence and destruction of property. I'm not disputing that. But my client lost the vast majority of that money to bad investments and a crippling gambling addiction, so he clearly wasn't a very successful criminal, and therefore you must vote to acquit. The defense rests.[/LionelHutz]
 
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gringos are very racist...
You don't get sarcasm or irony.

And aren't you going to explain how Vladimir Putin ran MKUltra? Did he clear himself of engrams and attain the ability to time-travel?
 
Amusing. Spain made no profit from it's colonies.

They got enough from the colonies to form the Spanish empire and be THE European power for a few centuries, oppressing the Dutch and Italians - even the Portuguese for awhile - unfortunately all the money flowing in cause inflation, they failed to invest in the country instead used the money for armies and fleets leading to a bankrupt country.

For awhile they had the greatest empire on earth, but grossly mismanaged it.
 
the Allies won WWII?

ha! That Alliance! Now, was that the alliance of the willing or of the unwilling?

Another chapter of the greatness complex of gringo protagonism. During the war the freedom loving members of that "Alliance" (the U.S. and British governments) were avoiding to participate and then they discovered to their amazement that those Russian „Untermeschen“ had actually offered a formidable resistance to Nazism, both their Blitzkrieg and themselves; so they "tactically" decided to let them both exhaust one another. The whole world as well as the military high command in Britain at that time started to notice strange things, like an unexplainable silence by nazis and "could not understand" the news that Russia was formidably resisting, fighting, had stopped the pesky Nazi offensive. They thought the invasion of Russia was going to take weeks and then they knew Nazis would come for them, so they were getting ready. They themselves related that they were floored, rejoicing when they confirmed the "unbelievable" news.

Until D-day not only the Russian high command (Stalin seemed to be furious about Churchill's bsing pomposity, avoidance), quite literally, the whole of Europe, who thought it unavoidable that Nazis were going to invade, occupy and rule Europe, including Britain, tuned their radio at night hoping to hear that French melody that was going to signal D-day.

I know these kinds of "alternate facts" are no the ones preferably used in freedom loving propaganda. Oh, no! of course gringos don't propagandize their people! They "inform", "educate" them "responsibly".

All I have said, has been historically documented and there are still people alive today who can bare witness to all of it. There is even a documentary series called "the forgotten war" even though the carniage of the epic confrontation of Nazis and Russians had never been seen before in the history of humankind. I have had the pleasure to talk to many of those people, including Nazi sympathizers, appologizers.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_World_War_II

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II (started September 1939)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa (June 1941)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad (August 1942 – February 1943)
that was the turning point of the war. Contrary to how freedom lovers have had it. Nazis weren't/couldn't be killing people for the fun of it, because matters of economy were crucial to them. They entirely depended on their „Blitzkriege“.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran_Conference (December 1943)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landings (June 1944)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Instrument_of_Surrender (May 1945)

68 months from September 1939 to May 1945
11 months from June 1944 to May 1945

So, the freedom loving members of that Alliance participated only in less than the last one sixth of the war (11/68) and it gets more interesting, after the war was over, freedom lovers became all "strategic", "brave" and started killing people for the fun of it, which is what they have always done best. France and Russia never did such things even though they had plenty of more "reasons" to do so. In fact, even the Nazi POW who were taken into custody by the Russians were able to live in average longer than minorities in the U.S. and probably not that different from the average in the U.S. that shows how badly they were treated, how inhumane those Russian „Untermeschen“ were. The Russian high command even made Russian soldiers share their food rations with their enemies as they were taken to Siberia! Yeah, I know Alexander Solschenizyn had a different story to tell about how Russian troops were raping "the enemy". Yet, most people would have prefered to get laid than killed, no? Unfortunately, we can't ask the people nuked in Hiroshima and Nagasaki if they would have prefered to have been laid.
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FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover turned Chaplin into his personal pet targeted and ran him out of the U.S., just for asking and keep asking when were freedom lovers going to take part in the war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover
COINTELPRO was first used to disrupt the Communist Party USA, where Hoover ordered observation and pursuit of targets that ranged from suspected citizen spies to larger celebrity figures, such as Charlie Chaplin, whom he saw as spreading Communist Party propaganda.[57]

even though they knew Chaplin was doing all he possibly could against Nazism from making movies mocking Hitler to enlisting himself and his two sons, encouraging people and raising money for the war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Chaplin

1939–1952: Controversies and fading popularity
The Great Dictator spent a year in production and was released in October 1940.[231] The film generated a vast amount of publicity, with a critic for The New York Times calling it "the most eagerly awaited picture of the year", and it was one of the biggest money-makers of the era.[232] The ending was unpopular, however, and generated controversy.[233] Chaplin concluded the film with a five-minute speech in which he abandoned his barber character, looked directly into the camera, and pleaded against war and fascism.[234]

Monsieur Verdoux and communist accusations
Chaplin again vocalised his political views in Monsieur Verdoux, criticising capitalism and arguing that the world encourages mass killing through wars and weapons of mass destruction.[262] Because of this, the film met with controversy when it was released in April 1947;[263] Chaplin was booed at the premiere, and there were calls for a boycott.[264]

Mutual
Chaplin was attacked in the British media for not fighting in the First World War.[109] He defended himself, claiming that he would fight for Britain if called and had registered for the American draft, but he was not summoned by either country.[q] Despite this criticism Chaplin was a favourite with the troops,[111] and his popularity continued to grow worldwide.
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The Cold war wasn't won and the West didn't lose and the Soviet Union certainly lost, and Star Wars?

Why gringos are denying now that they won the cold war and Star Wars as well as their denial of knowing well that Vladimir Putin was and still is the boss of MK-ULTRA is beyond comprehension to me. Could it possibly be the memory loss brought about by the aging or ther gringo lying Götterdämmerung?
 
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Gengis Khan conquered most of what was then the known world and decimated its population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan

Yeah, right there you see another example of what I mean. Their hordes were not "freedom lovingly" selective. They had the balls to fight indiscriminately, go out and confront whomever stood in their way. They occupied China to have their rear end kicked off in due time.

Thinking that abuse is OK, even "Godly" is one of the aspects I don’t understand about the "good Christian" gringos.
 
A quote from MacBeth seems appropriate this thread:


"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
 
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Why gringos are denying now that they won the cold war and Star Wars as well as their denial of knowing well that Vladimir Putin was and still is the boss of MK-ULTRA is beyond comprehension to me.
So it's beyond the limits of your comprehension to understand that MKUltra began the year after Putin was born, and ended when he was in his early twenties, before he was even a raw recruit in the KGB?

Or (and this is the more parsimonious explanation, in my opinion) did you riff off another ill conceived lie in the spur of the moment, and your only internally permissible response to being called on it is to feign histrionic incomprehension in the hope that no one will notice your failure to explain how what you say is even temporally possible?
 
A quote from MacBeth seems appropriate this thread:


"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

He doesn't seem to have the slightest clue that he's just flailing away at straw - pretending that everyone he's addressing thinks as he wants them to think. He doesn't even grasp the ridiculous hypocrisy of saying "gringos are very racist", or of saying that after making irrelevant references to Barack Obama's skin pigmentation.
 
68 months from September 1939 to May 1945
11 months from June 1944 to May 1945
When you are going to quote war dates, it's always good to get your facts right.

The first US fighter squadrons going into action in WW2 were in the UK in September 1940, nearly 4 years (45 months) before the Normandy invasion. Google "Eagle Squadrons".

The USA officially joined WW2 as a country on 8 December 1941, the day after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour, by declaring war on Japan. Hitler then declared war on the USA within days. This was 30 months before D-Day. US forces were active in the Pacific theatre from that day to the end of the war on 2 September 1945 when Japan surrendered. ...you entirely forgot the Pacific theatre of war, didn't you! ;)

US Army air Forces flew missions over Europe from 1942 onward, from the UK.

US forces were involved in the North Africa theatre, and the invasions of Sicily and Italy. All before D-Day.

And that's just a tiny potted history of the US involvement in WW2 that shows you are categorically and monumentally wrong. There are many whole libraries available you can research for actual details. Some of these are even in Spain! So you might even want to visit them.

Anyway, this is casting (very tiny, cheap) pearls before swine. I'm not sure why I am even bothering. You are entirely obsessed with your own imaginary brilliance, so you won't understand, and you won't correct yourself.
 
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When you are going to quote war dates, it's always good to get your facts right.
I'd missed this gem in his wall-o-text. His expertise in history seems about on par with his mastery of biology and mathematics. Thinking that U.S. involvement in WWII, even just in Europe, was limited to the period between D-Day and VE-Day is like thinking that Apollo 11 was the first and last manned lunar landing.
 
I'd missed this gem in his wall-o-text. His expertise in history seems about on par with his mastery of biology and mathematics. Thinking that U.S. involvement in WWII, even just in Europe, was limited to the period between D-Day and VE-Day is like thinking that Apollo 11 was the first and last manned lunar landing one and only US space mission.
More like, alas.
 
Pulitzer Prize Glenn Greenwald

If you like internet drama, you might like this story about how Glenn Greenwald praised himself via sock-puppets on right-wing blogs.

ETA - You might say that Glenn had "a functional Doppelgänger" of himself as he and his sock puppets went about their daily life ...
 
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... and ended when he was in his early twenties

ended? how do you know? because the ever truthful USG says so? or, because your dad put a serious face when he said it to you? or, are you using the kinds of powers that let you know how/where COVID-19 originated?

Do you remember during the Snowden revelations that most members of congress and the senate in the U.S. admitted to not even know what "NSA" stood for? let alone what they were doing?

MK-ULTRA still exists today and Vladimir Putin, its mastermind, is still the boss.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
The CIA insists that MKUltra-type experiments have been abandoned.

Notice the wording of that sentence and by the way they changed that sentence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Project_MKUltra/Archive_1

Whistleblower Carl Clark
I don't have time to work out how to do an edit but I think the "Aftermath" section needs something on the Carl Clark interview by Armin Gross that recently was translated into English. It gives a clear indication that the methods developed in the MKUltra Project continue to be used today by Secret Services. see: Carl Clark Interview
I would suggest something like:
"In 2010 another intelligence community whistleblower Carl Clark claimed that he used techniques akin to those developed by the MKUltra Project on many targets and he claims to have become a target himself after talking about his work."

Read the whole back and forth.
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https://www.stopeg.com/doc/CarlClarkInterview.pdf
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You should also check out the very FBI manuals and "secret rules" which are current:

// __ Secret Docs Reveal: President Trump Has Inherited an FBI With Vast Hidden Powers

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31...-with-vast-hidden-powers/?comments=1#comments
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// __ The FBI’s Secret Rules

https://theintercept.com/series/the-fbis-secret-rules/
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// __ "Ex-CIA Carl Clark admits to surveilling and stalking innocent persons"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-iVbcxuIWw
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68 months from September 1939 to May 1945
11 months from June 1944 to May 1945

When you are going to quote war dates, it's always good to get your facts right.

The first US fighter squadrons going into action in WW2 were in the UK in September 1940, nearly 4 years (45 months) before the Normandy invasion. Google "Eagle Squadrons".

The USA officially joined WW2 as a country on 8 December 1941, the day after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour, by declaring war on Japan. Hitler then declared war on the USA within days. This was 30 months before D-Day. US forces were active in the Pacific theatre from that day to the end of the war on 2 September 1945 when Japan surrendered. ...you entirely forgot the Pacific theatre of war, didn't you!

US Army air Forces flew missions over Europe from 1942 onward, from the UK.

US forces were involved in the North Africa theatre, and the invasions of Sicily and Italy. All before D-Day.

And that's just a tiny potted history of the US involvement in WW2 that shows you are categorically and monumentally wrong. There are many whole libraries available you can research for actual details. Some of these are even in Spain! So you might even want to visit them.

Anyway, this is casting (very tiny, cheap) pearls before swine. I'm not sure why I am even bothering. You are entirely obsessed with your own imaginary brilliance, so you won't understand, and you won't correct yourself.

... and ended when he was in his early twenties

Anyway, this is casting (very tiny, cheap) pearls before swine?

Gringos don't stop to amaze me! Do you consider flying a kite from England which Nazis could have seen in Normandy involvement in WW2?

Here for you: life, from the very horse's mouth. Here is USG's "involvement" in WW2:

// __ FDR and Policing the World: Hitler's Threat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtDxjVCu56E
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The French were freedom lovers (still are somewhat), but they also have a spine as a people and at some point rebelled big time against their crappy royalty.

Did you know that more than 140 years before the French chopped King Louis's head off, the English chopped King Charles's head off?

How does that fit into your excitable narrative?
 

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