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Ed A call for new open-minded research on psychic phenomena

MarkCorrigan said:
The explanation is auditory hallucinations. Especially for you as you are a self confessed schizophrenic.

There are perfectly valid explanations that do not require the making up of entities, and even if there were not there would need to be actual evidence of entities in the first place.

It is entirely unreasonable to assume they are entities when a much more parsimonious and logical explanation exists.

One time while at university, I was walking to one of my seminars when I quite clearly and distinctly heard someone calling my name from behind me. When I turned around there was no one there. Would you say it is reasonable to assume that I had heard from an entity?

What if I told you I had been awake for 5 days straight? Would that alter your assumption?
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I have told the story of hearing a voice that told me I would win on the lottery. That voice told me a fact.
If the voice you had heard behind you had told you such a fact you might have cause to pause.
 
Not in the slightest. What if you had not subsequently won the lottery after the voice told you that you would? Would you still assume that it was an entity?

Also you're ignoring the majority of my point yet again. Do you understand why that is rude?
 
I have suggested a method of testing if voices can be stopped by a charge of static electricity. If so, even only for a short time, this might be evidence of entities.
 
Nonsense. You first have to establish that entities exist Scorpion. Do you not get it yet?

Let us assume for the moment that entities do indeed exist. We live in a universe where they are absolutely real. This is universe A. We run your test and the static makes no difference. Is this now evidence that the entities don't exist?

Conversely we will assume as a hypothetical that entities absolutely do not exist. We now live in universe B where entities are absolutely not real. We run your test and the static does block the voices. Is this evidence that they do exist?

The fact is there could be any number of other, more logical reasons for people to have auditory hallucinations. In order for any test to be even remotely worth doing you need to exclude as many of those other possibilities as possible when setting up the test. This is why science, real science, is so vigorously run. We have to exclude all possible ulterior explanations for the results as best we can. This is also why psychics refuse to be tested. They know they can't run their typical scam tricks when the test is set up to prevent these tricks from being used. Once you have shut out cold and hot reading as options, they invariably fail to show any kind of powers.
 
Scorpion said:
I have suggested a method of testing if voices can be stopped by a charge of static electricity. If so, even only for a short time, this might be evidence of entities.
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By the way this is a thread with the words "open-minded" in its title - why not try and be open-minded?
 
Open mindedness does not mean accepting anything. There's a great video on the subject from QualiaSoup, the brother of TheraminTrees on youtube. Let me find it.



The fact is I'm perfectly willing to accept something if there is evidence for it. There is no evidence for any of the things you have proposed Scorpion.
 
junkshop said:
It was the '70s. Static electricity was endemic, what with all the nylon, polyester and shagpile. How were there any 'obsessing entities' (outsde of the cheeseclothy Good Life types, obviously)?
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Axxman300 said:
Please explain how a static electric charge is different to the human body than a regular electric charge.

In my experience if someone is hearing voices and they aren't schizo then they should get their home tested for high levels of CO2.
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MarkCorrigan said:
That isn't a theory. You've literally just assumed that auras are real (they aren't) and that there are "entities" (there aren't) and that these "entities" can attach to the aura. You've made three bald assertions with no evidence for them. Before any of the rest of this post is even worth considering please show that auras exist, that entities exist, and that entities can attach to auras.

Use evidence, not just "some spiritualist said so" or "I believe it therefore it's true" which is all you've ever been able to provide.
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Be nice. At least Scorpion is literally delivering on the topic of the thread.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
What if I told you I had been awake for 5 days straight? Would that alter your assumption?
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The only times I've had auditory hallucinations was because of sleep deprivation, one time because I'd been awake for 100 hours. My mind was absolutely fried.
 
Last night I watched a horror thriller movie and it had scenes where a nentity (he was a really scarey nentity too!) came right at the camera and I could see him. Why isn't that evidence that nentities exist?

He even went RRRHARRGH! the way they always do in movies.
 
Scorpion said:
Not even if they accurately give evidence of facts.
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No. No it isn't.


Again I ask you, if you had heard this voice and then subsequently not won the lottery, would you have assumed it was an entity talking to you?
 
Some esoteric sources claim that etheric entities clinging to ones aura can be dispelled by jabbing a sharp-pointed iron or steel implement all over all parts of the body, within the volume of the aura (starting a few inches from the skin) but not actually touching the skin. For what it's worth, I'm not making this up.

Whether this procedure is effective at reducing voices could be tested with minimal risk of minimal harm (if the jabber gets clumsy). It could even be blind tested, with the subject blindfolded and the jabber using either an iron implement or a wooden one, randomly chosen for each session. A positive result would be if trials with the metal implement decreased voices more than trials with the wooden one, over many trails.

The question is, if the results were negative, how should that be interpreted? "The voices aren't coming from etheric entities in the aura" would be one possibility. "My etheric aura entities must be too strong to be affected" would be another. A proclivity to choose the latter interpretation would severely limit the usefulness of the test.
 
If you are consistently hearing voices in your home you should call the fire department and have them come by with a meter to check CO2 levels in your home immediately.

If CO2 is not a problem you need to see a neurologist and psychiatrist to get tested before you end up getting hurt.

Sad that a ghost hunter has to point this out.
 
Scorpion said:
Regular electric charge works too, but it kills you. That is until they invented the TENs machines that apply a low voltage. Primarily intended to stimulate the muscles. I read in a book that entities cannot stand even low voltages, so a TENs machine is supposed to work cleansing the aura of entities too. I purchased one and applied it to my stomach, but I still heard voices.

I also purchased a wimshurst machine, but one of the disks was cracked in transit and it does not work. The manufacturers declined to send me a new disk, but they refunded my money. Just as well it did not work as I might have given myself an almighty shock by now.
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Static electricity kills too, look up something called "Lightning".

The next question is how did they test electrical current on "entities"? I must have missed that Nobel Prize.

And why would electrical current effect entities at all? Why are the theories about how electricity effects spiritual activity conflicting considered the 150 years of "research" on the topic?

I worked in a "haunted" business for 3 years where ALL of the activity was centered around a room housing the central electrical conduits and fuse boxes for half of the small shopping center. The ghosts weren't repelled by voltage, they seemed to be attracted to it. Today I realize there must have been bad wiring causing high EMFs which cause folks to see and hear things. At the time the activity increased as the mall underwent expansion causing more power to run through this junction room. This is 36 years ago, today I would have called an electrician to make the "ghosts" go away.

The difference between you and I is I never stopped looking for an explaination rooted in the real world.
 
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