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Ed A call for new open-minded research on psychic phenomena

I think psychic phenomena are better-researched than we commonly believe. Wouldn't various militaries, totalitarian governments and even just big business have researched the hell out of anything that might give them an edge over the common masses, or a business competitor? You think the Soviets never explored telekinesis? You think the U.S. never looked for genuine mind-readers? I'm sure both countries had earnest and extensive research programs on these topics - it just turned out that splitting the atom produced more consistent results.
 
Minoosh said:
I think psychic phenomena are better-researched than we commonly believe. Wouldn't various militaries, totalitarian governments and even just big business have researched the hell out of anything that might give them an edge over the common masses, or a business competitor? You think the Soviets never explored telekinesis? You think the U.S. never looked for genuine mind-readers? I'm sure both countries had earnest and extensive research programs on these topics - it just turned out that splitting the atom produced more consistent results.
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https://xkcd.com/808/
 
Minoosh said:
I think psychic phenomena are better-researched than we commonly believe. Wouldn't various militaries, totalitarian governments and even just big business have researched the hell out of anything that might give them an edge over the common masses, or a business competitor? You think the Soviets never explored telekinesis? You think the U.S. never looked for genuine mind-readers? I'm sure both countries had earnest and extensive research programs on these topics - it just turned out that splitting the atom produced more consistent results.
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Both the Rhine Research Center and Stanford Research Institute come to mind. Both were well funded and found SFA that convinced anyone.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Again I ask you, if you had heard this voice and then subsequently not won the lottery, would you have assumed it was an entity talking to you?
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Scorpion said:
No.
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Hi Scorpion, I know you have a lot of posts to respond to, such is the nature of this thread.

With regard to the exchange i have included above... why is your answer 'no'?
Have you concluded that the things you hear that you attribute to entities speaking, are always true, or always come true?

If you had not won the lottery, and thus not attributed the voice to an entity, what would you have attributed the voice to?
 
Minoosh said:
I think psychic phenomena are better-researched than we commonly believe. Wouldn't various militaries, totalitarian governments and even just big business have researched the hell out of anything that might give them an edge over the common masses, or a business competitor? You think the Soviets never explored telekinesis? You think the U.S. never looked for genuine mind-readers? I'm sure both countries had earnest and extensive research programs on these topics - it just turned out that splitting the atom produced more consistent results.
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The Men Who Stare at Goats...
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Spending a lot of money to move a piece of concrete around for no good reason..
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I'd love a link to the story as I'm curious what hippy group would "worship" an out of the way bollard or k-rail, but the idea of GG Parks and Rec regularly relocating their traffic control apparatus doesn't surprise me a bit.

It's not NY's Central, but it's a good sized park. I suspect they've got several equipment depots within and shift material around often, as needed.
 
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Skeptical Greg said:
Spending a lot of money to move a piece of concrete around for no good reason..
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What makes you assume they had no good reason? As far as I can tell, they had a bollard controlling traffic somewhere in the park, and then removed the bollard to a nearby corner of the park once they decided that traffic didn't need that control anymore. I've actually seen it. Totally thought it was some kind of lowkey buddhist shrine. Didn't find out till years later that it was a bollard.
 
theprestige said:
What makes you assume they had no good reason? As far as I can tell, they had a bollard controlling traffic somewhere in the park, and then removed the bollard to a nearby corner of the park once they decided that traffic didn't need that control anymore. I've actually seen it. Totally thought it was some kind of lowkey buddhist shrine. Didn't find out till years later that it was a bollard.
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What? Please, do tell. Link or details and I'll see what I can find.
Honestly, the story cracks me up, I'd like to know more
(I'm from San Mateo cty, the next one south of SF.)
 
Jim_MDP said:
What? Please, do tell. Link or details and I'll see what I can find.
Honestly, the story cracks me up, I'd like to know more
(I'm from San Mateo cty, the next one south of SF.)
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I'm inferring from the fact that it's actually a bollard. Unfortunately I don't have a link to my memories from 20+ years ago, and I haven't really been following the story since then.

I just assume that since it's a bollard, it was probably being used to control traffic on one of the roads through the park. And then traffic control policy changed, and the bollard was lifted up and set aside in some nearby but out of the way place.

The way I remember it, the thing was not very far off the beaten path at all. You'd be walking down a road, take a trail down a slope to a meadow, and partway down there's a little side trail going a few feet into the foliage, where a small bit of level ground holds a concrete bollard. It's been dusted with incense and painted with henna and hung with garlands. It's surrounded by flowers and incense and other minor offerings.

But that was all 20 years ago or more. I figure someone hooked a chain to the metal eye set into the concrete, hooked the other end to a backhoe, and deposited the bollard there from the nearest bit of road.
 
Golden Gate Park is a must-see if you visit the Bay Area. As I recall, the issue was that once the worshipers had designated it as a shrine, it suddenly acquired the status of a city-hosted place of worship. It was moved to private land to allow continued worship without worrying about church-state separation issues.
 
Thanks both of you. The time period might help, I might try later when I have "faster than 90's dialup" access.
My quick looks so far just get faith related park events schedules. [emoji3525]

Oddly (or not), for all the hundreds of times I've driven through on 19th, I've never actually walked in the park.
 
Jim_MDP said:
Thanks both of you. The time period might help, I might try later when I have "faster than 90's dialup" access.
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Coincidentally anachronistic: the stone was removed to its final site on private land in 1993 or 1994. Contemporary news sources say the original transposition happened "several years" previously. This site http://upgrade.shapingsf-wiki.org/index.php?title=Transplanted_Traffic_Barrier_Becomes_Shrine has a photo of the object -- a fact I would have known earlier had I payed more attention to the foregoing posts.
 
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Minoosh said:
I think psychic phenomena are better-researched than we commonly believe. Wouldn't various militaries, totalitarian governments and even just big business have researched the hell out of anything that might give them an edge over the common masses, or a business competitor? You think the Soviets never explored telekinesis? You think the U.S. never looked for genuine mind-readers? I'm sure both countries had earnest and extensive research programs on these topics - it just turned out that splitting the atom produced more consistent results.
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From the CIA FOIA Reading Room:

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001100110007-2.pdf

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000600220001-7.pdf

Those are from a ton of brief on Operation Stargate, a remote viewing program/experiment.

There's a bunch more, just type it into their search engine.
 
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