What to do with prostitutes

[Lonewulf]

So, can I ask you again, what did you mean when you said "Sex is sex" ?

I meant that sexual activity is more or less just sexual activity. I differentiate sexual activity from a sexual relationship.

And when I said "insufficient data", out of curiosity, what did you think I meant?

Steady on, Lonewulf, we've only just met...

It's a little early to be introducing me to the seductive charms of the Walrus of Love.

Ew, who's introducing who to who? I wasn't flirting with you, nor trying to "teach" you any "tricks".

However, if you're going to claim that relationship sex is inherently better, then you would need to prove it. The one way to prove it is with controlled experiments. You know, a little something called "science"? You'd do well to learn it.

 

[The Atheist]

The one way to prove it is with controlled experiments.

Look, I know what a chore this kind of thing is and that recruits for study are hard to find, but I'm prepared to make the sacrifice and work on this study.

 

[Lonewulf]

Look, I know what a chore this kind of thing is and that recruits for study are hard to find, but I'm prepared to make the sacrifice and work on this study.

Your sacrifice will be regarded for minutes as heroic, soldier!

 

[The Great Hairy One]

Your sacrifice will be regarded for minutes as heroic, soldier!

Minutes? It takes him that long?

Cheers,
TGHO

 

[Lonewulf]

Minutes? It takes him that long?

Cheers,
TGHO

Naw. I'm just slow-witted.

Also, that's the time it takes for him to realize that he hooked up a date with tub girl.

 

[largeprimenumber]

If I ever get in front of a judge i might supply proof.
Here it would not be believed by those who do not want to anyway.

This is always the last resort of people who expect their emotional but uninformed opinions to outweigh those of others.

Is this a court evidence, evidence, evidence.
Try logic instead.

I don't think you understand the concept of logic. The bulk of this thread consists of many people of varied opinion and temperament explaining to you in detail how your position is not logical. I repeat, there is no logic underlying your statements.

 

[The Atheist]

Minutes? It takes him that long?

Cheers,
TGHO

And there was me thinking you were an ok bloke. Ok, changed that analysis!

Naw. I'm just slow-witted.

Also, that's the time it takes for him to realize that he hooked up a date with tub girl.

Hmmm, "Tub girl". Not sure I like the sound of that. Xmas cards may be light your end this year as well.

 

[Lonewulf]

Hmmm, "Tub girl". Not sure I like the sound of that. Xmas cards may be light your end this year as well.

I'll be good.

 

[Greatest I am]

GIA, I see you finally answered the question on the fundamental rightness/wrongness of prostitution between consenting adults in a non-exploitative context ....




Wow, that's it ? That's what we've been waiting for, for six pages ? Prostitution is wrong because it demonstrates the truism that some people have fewer social skills than others ?

Sorry, GIA, I need you to explain that 'because'.

I understand that some people have fewer social skills than others; I am prepared to temporarily concede, for the sake of the argument, that people who pay for sex have fewer social skills than others.

I don't understand how you conclude from this that paying for sex is wrong/immoral/unethical.


Here's an anology. My family of origin abused me badly. As a result, I have few social skills, and I'm incapable of maintaining adult relationships. I have no friends, let alone a partner.

So each week, I go downtown and I pay a woman money to spend an hour of her life with me, to focus on me, to listen to me, to comfort me, to help me and to hold me.

We don't talk about her, I don't even know if she's married, or whether she has children - I don't ask. I want someone to listen to me.

Is this wrong, GIA ?

I agree that it amply demonstrates my lack of social skills. If I had some friends, maybe I wouldn't need to rent someone in this way.

I also agree that in a perfect world (eg a world in which I wasn't abused as a child), I probably wouldn't need to pay for what most people achieve naturally.

But I don't live in a perfect world, and neither does anyone else.

So if I feel the need to hire someone to be with me, I will do that, on the basis of a freely-entered-into contract between autonomous adults, and I don't think I'm doing anything wrong.





The woman that I refer to above is, of course, my psychotherapist, rather than a prostitute.

But the principle is the same.

In just the same way that your logic leads you to regard prostitution as wrong, it would lead you to conclude that psychotherapy is wrong.






Gnu.


PS : "Men should recognize that paid for sex is a poor second to romantic sex."

Perhaps men do recognize that, but some also recognize that 'no sex' is a poor third to 'paid-for-sex'.

I see the point that you make.

This does not justify contributing to a system that is fed by exploited people.

In your scenario both lose. Neither personal situation is improved. She is maintained in a system that causes her younger "sisters" to be abused and he learns nothing to improve his lifestyle either.

The bad aspects outweigh the good one's.
If we are to abolish slavery then we cannot place price tags on each other.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

bolding mine.


Why do you bother?

That statement almost certainly applies to the women who co-signed the report, but is wrong. It's wrong for a huge number of prostitutes, who did indeed, "wake up one morning and decide to be hookers".

If you're going to come and try to garner support for your position, being honest is the first essential. The stoopid bitches who wrote the report made a far worse cock-up than yours - at least yours is only an anonymous internet post, but they've put their name to a public document which is demonstrably bollocks. Obviously, people with similar agendas [think of anyone?] are likely to use it to support destroy their case.

Hardly worth dignifying with refutation, but sometimes that itch just has to be scratched.



<<walks off.... "now I know why I've avoided this thread for so long"...>>

What makes you think that a "huge" number are there by choice.
Prostitution is not touted as the career of choice.

Regards
DL

 

[Loss Leader]

The bulk of this thread consists of many people of varied opinion and temperament explaining to you in detail how your position is not logical.

Indeed. I, for one, despise prostitution and personally believe this would be a much better world if it no longer existed. However, I have had a very difficult time finding objective support for my position which is why I am not advocating for it. My criticism of GIA has been entirely of the logic used to make his argument in that there is none.

 

[Greatest I am]

Indeed. I, for one, despise prostitution and personally believe this would be a much better world if it no longer existed. However, I have had a very difficult time finding objective support for my position which is why I am not advocating for it. My criticism of GIA has been entirely of the logic used to make his argument in that there is none.

If you have failed to see the logic it may be your price tag has fallen in front of your eyes. Or was that the mark of the beast falling. Had to place that little analogy in there.

Regards
DL

 

[Wheezebucket]

Prostitutes are tools of Satan?! Oh no! Why didn't you just say so?!

 

[Lonewulf]

If you have failed to see the logic it may be your price tag has fallen in front of your eyes. Or was that the mark of the beast falling. Had to place that little analogy in there.

Regards
DL

Satandidit.

 

[toddjh]

Mmm...tools of Satan!

I always thought it would be funny if there was a typo and Satan's name was actually just Stan.

 

[Loss Leader]

If you have failed to see the logic it may be your price tag has fallen in front of your eyes. Or was that the mark of the beast falling. Had to place that little analogy in there.

Since, I actually agree with your conclusion, it's not that I fail to see your logic. It's that you haven't presented any.

 

[Greatest I am]

Since, I actually agree with your conclusion, it's not that I fail to see your logic. It's that you haven't presented any.

Eager to learn.
What logic brings you to this conclusion.

Regards
DL

 

[Loss Leader]

Eager to learn.
What logic brings you to this conclusion.

Are you drunk? I already explained that I was not capable of framing my opinion in terms of a logical argument. My exact words seven posts ago were:

I have had a very difficult time finding objective support for my position which is why I am not advocating for it.

 

[The Atheist]

What makes you think that a "huge" number are there by choice.

When a female is working in a steady job, with a steady partner who then quits that job to become a prostitute, I think that's a career choice.

That's where the majority of legal NZ prostitutes come from - other jobs.

Prostitution is not touted as the career of choice.

Regards
DL

Again, sorry to prick your balloon, but it certainly is by the large brothels advertising to get new staff and it works. I personally know several women who gave up accounting, secretarial or administration jobs to become fulltime hookers - simply because it pays so much more than an office job, and as pointed out to me by a couple, now, when they get ####ed over, they get paid for the privilege.

 

[Greatest I am]

When a female is working in a steady job, with a steady partner who then quits that job to become a prostitute, I think that's a career choice.

That's where the majority of legal NZ prostitutes come from - other jobs.



Again, sorry to prick your balloon, but it certainly is by the large brothels advertising to get new staff and it works. I personally know several women who gave up accounting, secretarial or administration jobs to become fulltime hookers - simply because it pays so much more than an office job, and as pointed out to me by a couple, now, when they get ####ed over, they get paid for the privilege.

Anecdotal information has value but not as much as good statistics.
I will search for some.

The picture you paint of women though indicates that the respect they do not get is earned.
I would hope that more women would respect themselves more than that.

Regards
DL