What to do with prostitutes

No qualifications required, Todd; I'm just asking for common-sense suggestions and opinions.

You mean using the same "common sense" that many times are proven to be wrong in the face of reality and evidence? What seems like "common sense" one moment is usually proven wrong the next. Such as homosexuality being a mental illness.

Phrased like that, there is only one correct answer, as far as I can see (an answer that unfortunately appears to be unacceptable to all you liberals).

1) What answer is that?

2) Why is your assumption that everyone that disagrees with you on this thread is of a politically liberal mindset?

But if anyone has any other suggestions...

Pretty simple suggestion. Legalization, regulation. Throughout the entire state, or even the nation.


As Far Side says, there's the bad gnus and the good gnus.
 
Because I did.



Hardly.

So, tell me what makes you any sort of "authority" on the subject. I'm still curious over that particular claim of yours.

As I recall I was asked under whose authority I spoke and i replied my own. I have no authority other than that and I have no expertise in the issue. Just an opinion and a desire to see a reduction in the assault of children.

I recognize that men can desire children. I recognize that if they are too young or unready for sex then sex can destroy their whole life.
To a man it is just another piece. To the victim that weapon is truly a weapon. Not a fair fight at all. Men are to take pride in a conquest, not shame and the inability to look into some other fathers eyes.

Regards
DL
 
what changes could be made to the current laws in Nevada such that the behaviour of the commercial couple becomes legitimate?

Phrased like that, there is only one correct answer, as far as I can see (an answer that unfortunately appears to be unacceptable to all you liberals).

Er...well, I already gave an answer to that. I said I wouldn't be opposed to a hotel exception in the law, if it were done properly. I also added that, apart from the condom part, the situation you describe might already be legal in the parts of Nevada where prostitution is allowed.

What is this "one correct answer" you're alluding to?
 
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I recognize that men can desire children. I recognize that if they are too young or unready for sex then sex can destroy their whole life.
To a man it is just another piece. To the victim that weapon is truly a weapon. Not a fair fight at all. Men are to take pride in a conquest, not shame and the inability to look into some other fathers eyes.

You're awfully sexist. Why do you focus exclusively on men? It's not like women are never sexual predators who prey on children.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2007/06/teaneck_teacherstudent_sex_cas.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284104,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,282053,00.html

Do a search on Google News and you'll find dozens of similar stories. They're very popular in the American media right now.
 
As I recall I was asked under whose authority I spoke and i replied my own. I have no authority other than that and I have no expertise in the issue.

Which is a good way to start to sound foolish, but not when care is taken. You, unfortunately, wouldn't know how to be careful if it came up and bit you in the assteroid.

Just an opinion and a desire to see a reduction in the assault of children.

First bit of foolishness: The idea that, if you attack prostitution, you attack child abuse. A foolish backwards way of handling the situation. This has been explained to you, but foolishly, you have yet to even attempt to digest that point. So I leave you to your foolishness and move on.

I recognize that men can desire children.

Second bit of foolishness: Seemingly equating prostitution with child molestation, or the willingness to pay to molest a child. There is a fundamental difference between paying a grown woman for sexual favors, and paying a child for sexual favors. Most reasonable people in the world do recognize a difference between the two, but you do not seem to be among them.

I recognize that if they are too young or unready for sex then sex can destroy their whole life.

D'uh. Join the rest of the world, outside of certain pedophilia rings. Though you are, once again, confusing the issues.

To a man it is just another piece.

Are you a man or a woman, out of curiosity? I find it intriguing how you continually speak as if ALL men consider women a certain way, as if ALL men think a certain way, as if ALL men are pedophiles, as if ALL men objectify women. It's an intriguing notion, this idea of ALL men being the stereotype that you have set out for them, whereas a good majority of men are against pedophilia, or child abuse, or sexual abuse, or rape.

The question then remains:

If you are a man, then are you perhaps projecting? After all, if ALL men consider children to be "just another piece", then that would include you if, indeed, you are a male.

If it is projection, that would be intriguing. I'd also be curious as to your history, especially with young girls...

To the victim that weapon is truly a weapon. Not a fair fight at all. Men are to take pride in a conquest, not shame and the inability to look into some other fathers eyes.

All of which is irrelevant, as it has little, if anything, to do with the subject.

If a prostitute does not come from an abused childhood, and came into her profession willingly, then you would have no problem with them, apparently. But if they are a result of child abuse, then you have a problem with them, and would wish to discriminate against and attack the prostitute. In short, making a victim of a victim to feel better about your holier-than-thou self.

However, the issue isn't prostitution here, it's child abuse. It's selling children. Two totally different issues, both of which almost everyone -- MAN AND WOMAN -- are against.

Quid pro quo.

Either get the issues right, or be ridiculed some more for your foolishness.
 
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You're awfully sexist. Why do you focus exclusively on men? It's not like women are never sexual predators who prey on children.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2007/06/teaneck_teacherstudent_sex_cas.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284104,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,282053,00.html

Do a search on Google News and you'll find dozens of similar stories. They're very popular in the American media right now.

Your right of course.
I do tend to focus on the female abuse because it is wide spread in our culture. I have no idea as to why women abuse boys sexually. Men tend to be the aggressors.

I guess I am used to having men and teens downplay the harm because they are thinking rape is good for men. We lack basic knowledge. Including myself.
Thanks for the info and the change of focus.

Regards
DL

 
Pretty simple suggestion. Legalization, regulation. Throughout the entire state.


That's what Todd suggested, Lonewulf. I pointed out that :

That wouldn't legitimize our commercial couple in the Vegas hotel, Todd, in fact just the opposite: they would then be breaking the law by not being in licensed premises, by not having had the required tests and by not wearing a condom.


Incidentally, Todd, my understanding of the law in Nevada is that all acts of legal prostitution must take place in a licensed brothel, the prostitute must have tests, and a condom must be used. I'm sure there are other conditions as well, but for the purposes of the argument these are the three aspects of the law that the couple in the hotel are breaking.

All you liberals out there (by which I simply mean, Lonewulf, all of you out there who happen to be liberals, not that all of you out there are liberals), have stated in various ways that the law criminalizing the commercial couple is unfair.

So I'm simply asking how the law could be changed so that the couple are not criminalized.

Applying to Vegas the same laws that legalize prostitution elsewhere in Nevada would not achieve this, because our hypothetical couple would then be breaking those laws in three crucial respects.

Any other ideas ?


Gnu.
 
Incidentally, Todd, my understanding of the law in Nevada is that all acts of legal prostitution must take place in a licensed brothel, the prostitute must have tests, and a condom must be used. I'm sure there are other conditions as well, but for the purposes of the argument these are the three aspects of the law that the couple in the hotel are breaking.

For the third time now, I said I wouldn't be opposed to a hotel exception to the "brothels only" rule, if it were done properly.

I also said that it's a gray area anyway, due to a legal ambiguity in the exact definition of prostitution. I know there are prostitutes who go on "outdates," wherein the arrangements have to be made in a brothel, but the activities can take place elsewhere. I'm not entirely sure what's involved there, though, but it's possible your "commercial couple" might not be strictly breaking the law. A moot point if there are hotel exceptions anyway.

And I also said that I didn't notice that your hypothetical "commercial couple" was not using a condom. I do think prostitutes should be required to use condoms -- it's just a matter of public health and occupational safety, like chef attire. So no, I don't think your "commercial couple" should be exempt from that.

So I guess I'm not sure of what your point is. Your "commercial couple" example seems very important to you, but I don't know why, and I don't understand why you keep ignoring my responses. So maybe the regulations involved in legal prostitution wouldn't allow every single type of arrangement people might want. So what? Regulations in other areas (alcohol and tobacco sales, for example) are the same way. People live with it. It's not a big deal.
 

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