Vision From Feeling

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UncaYimmy said:
Ashles,

I really like where you're heading, but I think your 1:5 ratio is premature at this point. We don't know how many people she will read, now many ailments are on the form, or the frequency at which people select ailments.
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That shouldn't matter - the ratio is only calculated on results that are at judged least '2' by the volunteer and at least '3' by Anita.
This should be an area in which there are real ailments and Anita feels 'real' significant perceptions.
And that hopefully is the region in which there are interesting results to be examined.

Also, I haven't seen how the time frames come into play. In my own case I can circle "Longer Than a Year" for just about every pain listed. Anita told the IIG that she needed people to be currently in pain for her test. That might be a good start.
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I don't see the time period as relevant to our judgement of hits or misses, only to Anita's personal interpretation of the results.

If someone puts 2-5 on an ailment, and Anita marks 3-5, I would consider that worthy of judging as a Hit, no matter what the time period was marked as.

Like I say, for the purposes of falsification I am allowing the marking to be very generous towards Anita.

In my opinion, falsification at this level, with these criteria, would be very significant and would thoroughly justify a conclusion of no-ability.

Any other result would be entirely inconclusive from a point of view of indicating ability.
 
Ashles said:
That shouldn't matter - the ratio is only calculated on results that are at judged least '2' by the volunteer and at least '3' by Anita.
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With "longer than a year" as a qualifier, yer UncaYimmy would check 25 of the 26 conditions listed under pain (never had heart pain). Hang around on this planet for 42 years and you're bound to have pain just about everywhere at some point.

With the discomforts that have a time frame, I would check 12 out of 15. C'mon, who has never been nauseous or dizzy? If you've had the flu at some point in your life, that gives you several things to check.

Therefore, a purely random guess has a 90% chance of being right. Your hurdle to continue this charade is that she is only right 15% of the time.

I'll put it back on you. What is your mathematical basis for 1:5 hits to misses? On what are you basing that? What percentage of boxes have to be checked by participants for 15% to have any meaning?
 
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VisionFromFeeling said:
Tell me one inaccurate medical perception that I've had? Do not avoid this question or I will ask again and again.
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I thought you’d never ask!
“bones in the Adam’s apple”
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For that matter, she could have had many inaccurate medical perceptions. All she has to offer are her anecdotes, which glorify her, and none of those are verified. We don't even know that she didn't just conjure them up out of thin air.

Her mock outrage is somewhat ineffective here.
 
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UncaYimmy said:
With "longer than a year" as a qualifier, yer UncaYimmy would check 25 of the 26 conditions listed under pain (never had heart pain). Hang around on this planet for 42 years and you're bound to have pain just about everywhere at some point.
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My pain, over a lifetime of consideration, has primarily been in the neck and the ass. :D

I agree, so far I've seen nothing in this thread from Anita other than anecdotes and perhaps delusional fantasies of her own self-importance. Granted, it totals about 40-60 pages worth, but after reading all 50-something pages of this exchange, I'm not a shred more convinced of her abilities than I wasn't already when I first clicked on the thread. Tho I'm more convinced of her charlatan nature now.
 
desertgal said:
Originally Posted by VisionFromFeeling
Tell me one inaccurate medical perception that I've had? Do not avoid this question or I will ask again and again.
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For that matter, she could have had many inaccurate medical perceptions. All she has to offer are her anecdotes, which glorify her, and none of those are verified. We don't even know that she didn't just conjure them up out of thin air.

Her mock outrage is somewhat ineffective here.
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Yeah. I first called her out on this in post #1784, five days ago. She even quoted an irrelevant statement I made. I really like this part - "Do not avoid this question". Riiiight. :D
 
7th November 2008, 11:30 AM #42

VisionFromFeeling


Just a few minutes ago I wrote to a medical doctor at a university who had conducted a similar study of psychic medical diagnose asking him whether he would be interested in testing my ability with me.
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So Anita, did the good doctor ever get back to you?
 
VisionFromFeeling said:
Asm:
When I claim to detect an ailment then I am simultaneously claiming that the ailment occurs to an extent significant to be perceived by the person. Once I make a claimed perception it is open to be checked for accuracy as correct or incorrect.
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I am reading this to mean that you only "feel" someones ailments when the person you are observing is perceiving that ailment however from your website:

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Dec 6 08: I detected two highly unusual anatomical traits; the threshold from the stomach to the pyloric valve was set much higher than in most people, and I also saw that the kidneys were significantly larger than most people.

Dec 3 08: I detected a significantly low stroke volume (the amount of blood the heart pushes out at a contraction) of up to 80% of the blood remaining in the ventricles.
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These are all ailments that the person is not aware of, so is your claim that you can perceive only if the person is aware of it or do you claim something else???
 
Farencue said:
7th November 2008, 11:30 AM #42

VisionFromFeeling


Just a few minutes ago I wrote to a medical doctor at a university who had conducted a similar study of psychic medical diagnose asking him whether he would be interested in testing my ability with me.
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So Anita, did the good doctor ever get back to you?
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And whatever happened to that local "psychic" who was going to let you evaluate some of her clients?
 
Good question Desertgal.

From the Rhine Research Center (which is located in Durham NC) webpage:
“An Integrative Center for the Study of Consciousness. Now independent of Duke University, the Rhine Research Center is still located near Duke’s West Campus and Medical Center. We aim to meet the great need for information about the depth and breadth and potential of human consciousness. We will continue to present in various formats the best and most instructive current thought on these things. And we will continue to add to the body of scientific knowledge about the nature and power of the mind.
Generating scientific knowledge about consciousness and presenting a wide array of speculative ideas about consciousness and its enhancement might seem to be different and even contradictory things. They are potentially complementary, and we attempt to integrate them.
If anyone wishes to make a truly independent study of any subject, and not simply learn of the prior opinions and findings of others, there are two basic paths for exploration. We may study something empirically, and rely upon the methods of science: theory and hypothesis, objective measurements, control of variables, mathematical analysis of results, and peer-review of conclusions. Still, not all important questions are readily amenable to these methods. The other path for study is more personal and informal. We may find an interesting idea and tentatively adopt it, and try it out in the “laboratory” of our own experience. If we find that it is useful, and adds to our sense of understanding important things and enhances our personal sense of efficacy, then we may keep it and build upon it as a basis for testing other new ideas. If it does not prove to be very useful, hopefully we will be clear-headed and independent enough to toss it out, and look for something better. Most people carry out this sort of informal “research” all their lives. These two approaches are not mutually exclusive, but each has its unique advantages and disadvantges. Personal, informal research permits us to test out ideas that we find difficult or impossible to squeeze into the structure of empirical study. The downside is that our personal perspective is always limited and potentially biased in unwitting ways, and our range of experience is relatively narrow. We may reach conclusions that are wrong, or only very narrowly true, and never know it. Empirical research is painstaking and often slow-going, and may be somewhat narrow in terms of the questions it can manage. It may seem to miss some of the richness and immediacy of ongoing experience. Its advantage is that with it we can know something for sure, and integrate it with the rest of scientific knowledge. It is with scientific knowledge, after all, that our culture has constructed our modern world, with all its advantages. Certain knowledge is powerful knowledge.”

From Leon E Curry MD webpage under heading "Upcoming Appearances" and I believe it is 2008:
October 24 - Duke University, Stedman Auditorium, presented by Rhine Research Center
and also on the good doctors page:
"What if you discovered a powerful diagnostic machine that could read the human body like an MRI, and identify disease? What if that machine was another human being?"
which I believe is a reference to his book titled: "The Doctor and the Psychic" which is about Greta Alexander who died around 10 years ago.

Anita has posted on the good doctors webpage 27th November 2008 and he on hers 28th November 2008. Apparently the doctor was also going to be making an appearance with Sylvia Browne in Georgia in 2008.:eek:

I dont believe that this a NEW delusion at all, I believe it to be a resurrection of an OLD scam.:rolleyes:

But, I could be wrong.
 
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VisionFromFeeling said:
GeeMack:

I haven't even had much chances to demonstrate any extra-sensory abilities! I've only had one chance and that was with Wayne! And he didn't have anything wrong with him! According to my perceptions the man was in beautiful health, better than average! (His heart, lungs, liver and digestive system all looked absolutely wonderful and healthy. It was a delight to see.)
But Hoooneeeyyy!!! I am most willing to demonstrate and to be put to the test! I am able to demonstrate it!!! Bring me some people with hidden health problems! I haven't failed anything! There is no joke! I perceive medical information when I look at people! Bring me some people and I will show you what I mean! :p
I am neither mentally ill nor a liar!
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Very, very scary stuff indeed. According to my bullsh!t detector there will be no protocol, study, test or credibility put forth by Anita. Thanks for the entertainment Anita and again to the JREFers thankyou for sharing your expertise and knowledge with all who have come across this thread.
 
desertgal said:
I thought she was Swedish? Finland has been independent of Sweden since 1809. Perhaps she means she speaks Finnish?
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Let me clear this on behalf of Anita. In the beginning of the thread she wrote a PM to me stating that her parents are originally from Finland, but she herself was born in Sweden.

This is quite normal. Her last name is Finnish and her first name is more Swedish. Makes sense to me.
 
Jonquill said:
If Anita had the powers she claims in her website it would take about 5 minutes to convince a room full of skeptics of her abilites.
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I agree with Jonquill. Anita, you're fooling only yourself if you're being serious about all this.
 
Farencue said:
Good question Desertgal.


From Leon E Curry MD webpage under heading "Upcoming Appearances" and I believe it is 2008:
October 24 - Duke University, Stedman Auditorium, presented by Rhine Research Center
and also on the good doctors page:
"What if you discovered a powerful diagnostic machine that could read the human body like an MRI, and identify disease? What if that machine was another human being?"
which I believe is a reference to his book titled: "The Doctor and the Psychic" which is about Greta Alexander who died around 10 years ago.

Anita has posted on the good doctors webpage 27th November 2008 and he on hers 28th November 2008. Apparently the doctor was also going to be making an appearance with Sylvia Browne in Georgia in 2008.:eek:

I dont believe that this a NEW delusion at all, I believe it to be a resurrection of an OLD scam.:rolleyes:

But, I could be wrong.
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Do you have a link for this part? I couldnt find his site
 
His site address is in VfF's guestbook otherwise google "doctor and psychic".
I cant post links yet.
 
desertgal said:
You offer a compelling argument in favor of a deliberate scam over delusion. Of course, as you said, the jury is still out. As well, it's also possible that we are looking at a combination: a delusional person attempting a deliberate scam. If Anita truly believes that she is as extraordinary as she claims, then it isn't impossible that she would attempt to market herself.

I think, though, to get a complete picture, one has to read all her claims. It's all these, along with this thread, that led Unca, myself, and others to lean towards delusional.

Ghost Experiences

As well, there is the whole "white dwarf star" nonsense. I keep going back to that. It all may be part of a scam - but to write to the managers of a forum, and complain that she can't join because she isn't "human"-that's just delusional.

I think the tentative beginnings of your "end result" might be here, and here.

Whichever it is that Anita is doing, as you said, only time will tell.
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Thanks DG and it may very well be a combination of the 2 but after reading the links you posted ( some of those ghost stories were cute- thanks) ans Farencues post- I'm now even more solidly convinced this is a "for profit" scam.

One thing I noticed ( froom my syatement analysis training ) was that in her introductory post, she made no mention of ghosts yet when she got on the thread you posted, its like she talks to them every day. Also those stories all sound scripted to either solicit an emotional response and always seem to point to VFF as being one of great "resource" or authority to "help" or "resolve" or to "feel". ( like her story of the little girl ghost or the Revolutionary War one) All the stories seem to highlight and reinforce her core claims.

Hell, I could have watched the Patriot and had a beer too many and had that one myself.

She is "charging" for art on her page and with her post regarding practicing and the other post regarding her contacting that MD.

Also, theres only her word that separates these from actual events or scripted events and her "word" isnt worth much.
 
Kuko 4000 said:
Let me clear this on behalf of Anita. In the beginning of the thread she wrote a PM to me stating that her parents are originally from Finland, but she herself was born in Sweden.

This is quite normal. Her last name is Finnish and her first name is more Swedish. Makes sense to me.
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Ah, I see. I never really doubted that she is Swedish, but thanks for clearing up that contradiction. :)
 
Dear Anita,

I can't resist elaborating on your insect analogy.
If you find an insect that you think is new, unique and exciting, the first thing you do is rush to the Entomology lab, to check whether or not it shares characters with well-known, mundane insects that are already in our collection. If you do not rule this out beforehand, you risk losing face when you announce: 'Look, this is Visio tactilii, a new and wonderful insect', and some veteran entomologists say: 'It looks remarkably like Lector frigidus (vernacular name Coldreader), how did you make sure it is not one of the many varieties of that species?' And others might say: 'It also looks like Whatsit delusiae, how did you rule that out?', and still others would like to know if you might just have tried to claim the well-known Buggus fraudulens to be a new species.
This is what happens here. You found some insect that you assumed to be new, and you want to study its behavioral patterns, without checking if it might be one of the other, far more likely, species. We are the entomologists who would like you to check the collection first.

Femke
 
I believe Farencue is on to something ..
LONGTABBER PE's investigative skills should really add to the mix also ..

Further revelations should be interesting.. I think Anita is about to be pwned..
 
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