Vision From Feeling

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If she's delusional, she's cherry picking the responses to support her claims on her website, and on here to support her delusions of persecution. (A lot of delusional people CAN differentiate fantasy from reality - they just elect not to, and they'll only 'download' information that supports their delusion, and discard the rest.)

If she isn't delusional, then she's still cherry picking and editing the feedback to serve as evidence of her ability, in the same way that Sylvia Browne will claim she has had thousands of 'accurate readings', but not address James Randi's challenge or Robert Lancaster's website.

To me, this is just further evidence that she is delusional, and she is cherry picking whatever she can to support her delusions. If she weren't delusional, it makes absolutely no sense that she would link website visitors to this thread, where it makes it clear that her claim isn't blindly accepted, and that she's done a little creative editing where UncaYimmy is concerned.

(Well, except for the "brilliant" part. We all know that.) :)


Oh darn! I've just posted much the same thing. It must be my turn at nagging.



What has stood out for me is her recent response to several valid observations by Cuddles. Not only did she attempt to use "schizotypal disorder" as an insult-which was inaccurate and offensive-but the entire post was completely irrational and, really, an over the top, full blown overreaction. She really seemed to lose control - and it was premeditated. Just that one post encapsulated all the extreme traits we've noticed. It was alarming.


That post was a jaw-dropper, and I'm not going near it. The understandable lack of a response from Cuddles, who was posting not-as-moderator, has given me a real Sword of Damocles feeling.



As well, the post where she typed her thoughts in blue - that was seriously creepy.


Because of

(a) the blueness,

(b) the third person-ness,

(c) the thoughts themselves,

(d) all of the above?


(d) for me please.
 
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I stand corrected. I was not aware of this tidbit of information. That changes everything.

I don't mean this negatively towards you, but it's no surprise you wouldn't know that tidbit. This thread gave her plenty of room to hide while appearing to be cooperative and forthcoming. The details kept getting lost.

So basically when a cold read works, she is right, and when it doesn't, it doesn't count. Typical.
Her test protocol is sort of rational under the right circumstances, though.
Me: I understand English.
You: Okay, what do these 100 words mean?
Me: Wait a sec. I don't know every word in English, so how about you give me a list of several hundred words. I'll pick out 100 that I know I know. I'll get them all correct.
You: Meh. We're speaking in English. Nevermind.

I jest, but you get the idea. If I wanted to prove my sense of smell, I'd have to stipulate as part of the test the concentrations of the chemicals I am to detect. And we all know that our noses don't smell everything.

Thing is she never accepted how severely limited her claim really is. Instead she constructed a wild fantasy around it. She invented the whole vibrational information thing to explain some lucky guesses and subconscious cold readings. She then took *that* fantasy and decided she could detect chemicals via their vibrations (duh! she's messing with chemicals in school). She took *that* fantasy to invent vibrational algebra to predict how chemicals work with the body. She took *that* fantasy to decipher how insects and animals communicate (vibrations is vibrations is vibrations).

Next thing you know she's involving other people in her fantasies. And here we are.
 
I think one of the things I am failing to understand is this: WHY is Anita HERE?

She started with IIG in 2007, and she left it up to them to design the protocol. Now, granted, they might be slower than she likes, but she has shifted the goalposts so often, and made the proposed protocol so unwieldy, the folks at IIG are probably frustrated beyond belief.

She came on here over two months ago, saying that she wanted the skeptics here to apply critical thinking to her claims, and help her design a protocol. Again, we had the shifting of the goalposts-first she could do chemical tests, and then she couldn't, and then the photographs were possible, and then they weren't, and so on.

She has spent countless hours on this thread (and others) arguing over and rejecting 99% of the critical thinking that has come her way. We've pointed out flaws in her anecdotal conclusions - she argued and ultimately ignored the points that were made. We pointed out flaws in her reasoning - she argued. We pointed out flaws in her methods - she argued. We pointed out that she might be delusional-she argued. Protocols were suggested - she debated them and dismissed them. One poster suggested a simple test with crystals, based on the info on her website. She agreed - but we don't know if she did it. Pup suggested another quick test with medications -and she accepted, and, then, for some unfathomable reason, amended the test. (Why does she need samples of the original medications again?) She argued about whether she has synesthesia-and still seems convinced that she does. She argued repeatedly about whether ESP ability could be proven or not proven. She argued about whether her anecdotes were evidence or samples. She argued over the definition of the null hypothesis. She argued over whether she believes in her perceptions. She argued over her numerous contradictions, over the definition of vibrational algebra, etc, etc, etc. In the meantime, she threw in, here and there, even more outrageous claims, and then argued over whether we could discuss them or not. If we discuss her credibility, she responds that it isn't relevant to her main claim. If we mention anything she doesn't want to discuss, it isn't relevant to her main claim - and, for some reason, she decided a while back that she was the forum police and could dictate what we discuss.

She went to one skeptics meeting with the attitude that she could just waltz in and start diagnosing the members. When that didn't happen, she, at Dr. Carlson's and GodofPie's suggestions, finally understood what UncaYimmy and others had been telling her for a month - that she would need to gather something more compelling than the anecdotal evidence (oh, sorry, samples) on her website, and design her own protocol for any "official" test based on that study. She babbled on about that, until UncaYimmy took the time to write her a protocol to help her out.

Ashles took the time to start a thread about developing a protocol for her, which she largely ignored. UncaYimmy took the time to start the moderated thread to clarify her claim-and it has been like pulling teeth to get her to respond there, while she posts here over and over again. She blames us for that - mostly me - we are, apparently, "forcing" her to answer questions she deems unworthy. And so far, she has cherry picked our responses, and answers a lot of them out of context, which leads to more "false assumptions" on our part.

Through it all, she's been alternately condescending and strangely disingenuous, insulting and almost sycophantic She said she came here for critical thinking, but I don't see how, since she has argued and disagreed with most of it. She has accused us repeatedly of making false assumptions and inaccurate conclusions over and over again-even though, except for two occasions, our assessments were accurate-she just didn't agree with them. The two occasions-the mistake about her education and about her nationality-were resolved fairly quickly, yet she's been using them as a stick to beat us with ever since. She went off on Cuddles in a totally irrational temper tantrum.

And, now, in another one of her bizarre disingenuous about faces, she says: "I will continue working on the paperwork for the upcoming study, and once their preliminary drafts are prepared I will post them and invite everyone to critique on them in the way only you know how. That way they can be improved on until we all agree that they are ready to be named final drafts."

I can't understand why. With the exception of UncaYimmy's study protocol, it seems like the only purpose the JREF serves for Anita is some sort of self absorbed blog/whipping boy/mysterious testing ground.
 
Because of

(a) the blueness,

(b) the third person-ness,

(c) the thoughts themselves,

(d) all of the above?


(d) for me please.

Oh, definitely "d" for me, as well. It was the same as the initial "dwarf star" claim that she posted out of the blue - I read them both with a "WTH?" expression on my face, I'm sure.
 
(Incidentally I still don't know how to do that quote within quote thing that everyone else seems to do so effortlessly)


I'll submit a protocol.


Here's your post:


ME: "I'm not sure if this question has been asked or answered before - Who are the skeptics? Are they part of a specific group or organisation?"

I hope to involve members of the local Winston Salem skeptics group. One of them I've already asked and received a preliminary yes. There is another one I have in mind and will ask. Yet another one has expressed interest if he can make the time.


Please note that I'm using {} to represent the [] which will appear in the real thing


Go back to your desired post and quote yourself (or whoever) and edit the post down to the bit you want to use, making sure to include the {QUOTE} and {/UNQUOTE} tags. You might end up with something like this:

{QUOTE=Ashles;4343251} "I'm not sure if this question has been asked or answered before - Who are the skeptics? Are they part of a specific group or organisation?"{/QUOTE}

Copy the above into the clipboard and then navigate to the response you wish to address. Use the Quote function on this post and paste into it from the clipboard so you end up with this:

{QUOTE=VisionFromFeeling;4341666}{QUOTE=Ashles;4343251} "I'm not sure if this question has been asked or answered before - Who are the skeptics? Are they part of a specific group or organisation?"{/QUOTE}

I hope to involve members of the local Winston Salem skeptics group. One of them I've already asked and received a preliminary yes. There is another one I have in mind and will ask. Yet another one has expressed interest if he can make the time.{/QUOTE}


When the above, using [] instead of {} is either previewed or submitted, it renders like this:



"I'm not sure if this question has been asked or answered before - Who are the skeptics? Are they part of a specific group or organisation?"

I hope to involve members of the local Winston Salem skeptics group. One of them I've already asked and received a preliminary yes. There is another one I have in mind and will ask. Yet another one has expressed interest if he can make the time.



I'm probably doing it the long way, but it works. Remembering every poster's screen name and membership number and inserting them manually where appropriate works too, but that would make my brain hurt.


ETA: I think I've just realised that those numbers probably aren't membership numbers, so that method will definitely suck.
 
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I think one of the things I am failing to understand is this: WHY is Anita HERE?

<snip excellent analysis for brevity>



Well . . .


Oh dear lord...she is now selling "body art"; ie. paintings of what she "sees". Can QVC be far behind?


On her body art page she says "Expecting mothers, I can draw your unborn babies? I see unborn babies in great detail. "

How about an unborn baby gender test then, what could be simpler than that?

http://visionfromfeeling.com/bodyart.html


I think the JREF and others were meant to be part of the advertising campaign. That will end well.
 
I don't mean this negatively towards you, but it's no surprise you wouldn't know that tidbit. This thread gave her plenty of room to hide while appearing to be cooperative and forthcoming. The details kept getting lost.

No offence was taken. Was that on her web site? I don't recall seeing that on this or the moderated thread, and I have read both in their entirety.

Her test protocol is sort of rational under the right circumstances, though.
Me: I understand English.
You: Okay, what do these 100 words mean?
Me: Wait a sec. I don't know every word in English, so how about you give me a list of several hundred words. I'll pick out 100 that I know I know. I'll get them all correct.
You: Meh. We're speaking in English. Nevermind.

I jest, but you get the idea.

I get the idea indeed. Good analogy. That describes it perfectly.

If I wanted to prove my sense of smell, I'd have to stipulate as part of the test the concentrations of the chemicals I am to detect. And we all know that our noses don't smell everything.

Thing is she never accepted how severely limited her claim really is. Instead she constructed a wild fantasy around it. She invented the whole vibrational information thing to explain some lucky guesses and subconscious cold readings. She then took *that* fantasy and decided she could detect chemicals via their vibrations (duh! she's messing with chemicals in school). She took *that* fantasy to invent vibrational algebra to predict how chemicals work with the body. She took *that* fantasy to decipher how insects and animals communicate (vibrations is vibrations is vibrations).

Next thing you know she's involving other people in her fantasies. And here we are.

Indeed. Here we are. No further ahead with an actual testable claim after more than 1400 postings. At least it has been entertaining, and quite educational.
 
On her body art page she says "Expecting mothers, I can draw your unborn babies? I see unborn babies in great detail. "


Hell, I can draw unborn babies in great detail. Have you ever seen the results from an ultra-sound? Just get a fuzzy picture of Winston Churchill, trace, and orient as you wish. Voila!

How about an unborn baby gender test then, what could be simpler than that?


I predict VfF will claim that she can determine gender completely accurately in roughly half of the women she scans. :cool:
 
How about an unborn baby gender test then, what could be simpler than that?


The vibrational aspects of an unborn child and its mother are such that, at the atomic level, they are impossible to separate and thus Vibrational Algebra™ may not be possible. An Upcoming Study™ will carefully avoid this in case my university is dragged into it.
 
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I'm probably doing it the long way, but it works. Remembering every poster's screen name and membership number and inserting them manually where appropriate works too, but that would make my brain hurt.


ETA: I think I've just realised that those numbers probably aren't membership numbers, so that method will definitely suck.

The numbers after the screen name are the message number of the message being quoted. Each posting gets a unique number, to uniquely identify it.

I hope that makes sense. It is getting late here, and I am getting too tired to even determine if my babbling above even makes sense or not. I'll leave it as is, and hope that it makes some sort of sense. :)
 
Should I register StopVisionFromFeeling.com, NoVisionFromFeeling.com, or HelpVisionFromFeeling.com?

I vote for StopVisionFromFeeling.com, but I would humbly suggest registering both of them, and link both to the same site. That would hopefully keep her from hijacking the one not selected and using it for her own purposes, a la the other StopYouKnowWho.com problem Robert Lancaster and friends have had to deal with in the last few months.
 
"I will be using real colors and materials on real paper soon!"

Sounds like she hasn't even tried to draw anything yet. If it was anyone else you'd have to think it was a practical joke.
 
It would be funny to send a nonpregnant lady along to get a picture done :D

Or even funnier, a convincing looking transvestite or transsexual, as he/she wouldn't even have the necessary internal equipment to get pregnant, and then find out what VfF sees. I might be tough to find one that would be impervious to cold reading, but it could be entertaining none the less. :D
 
The numbers after the screen name are the message number of the message being quoted. Each posting gets a unique number, to uniquely identify it.

I hope that makes sense. It is getting late here, and I am getting too tired to even determine if my babbling above even makes sense or not. I'll leave it as is, and hope that it makes some sort of sense. :)


Yep. That makes perfect sense, thanks Mate.
 
Also interesting, from her body art web page

Expecting mothers, I can draw your unborn babies? I see unborn babies in great detail.
Of course I can not guarantee that my impressions represent real tissue, it hasn't been "scientifically proven yet", but it represents the images that I see.

I find it interesting that the phrase [BOLD]scientifically proven yet[/BOLD] is in quotes, as though that is an unimportant little detail that the reader / potential customer shouldn't need to worry about. I definitely get an impression of how much importance she puts on the testing of her claim, and it is not a good impression.
 
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