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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

Ron Obvious said:
"It was among 97 mass shootings so far this year in the United States, with four or more people wounded or killed, not including shooters, according to Gun Violence Archive."

Sigh... I agree in principle with gun control, not being born or raised in the US, but I suspect it wouldn't be the solution that some people think it is.
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Of course it would, it's not a quick fix and it would take decades to become effective as the problem has been decades in its creation and cannot be fixed overnight.
 
Ron Obvious said:
Sigh... I agree in principle with gun control, not being born or raised in the US, but I suspect it wouldn't be the solution that some people think it is.
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It doesn't have to be a 100% solution right off the bat. It just needs to make things better than they are now. Moving in the right direction. Fewer gun deaths. Zero gun deaths is a longer-term goal.
 
arthwollipot said:
First time for everything. Perhaps it's because you've been called out.
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How wrong you are.

This post from early April there were Latino shooters.
Bogative

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After 0 double-digit mass shootings in February, we are back with 2 in March.

Black male. 2 killed, 12 wounded. Mardi Gras celebration. Mamou, Louisiana.

4 Hispanic males. 3 killed, 15 wounded. Street party. Las Cruces, New Mexico.

It's funny how you imply that I only mention black shooters. I've been accused of the same thing by other members before so I will challenge you, as I have with the others, to provide an example of me ignoring a white shooter. The only time you will possibly find an example is because there was no information publicly available at the time of my last search.

So put up or shut up. Bring the examples.

ETA: Just a few days ago Norman Alexander quoted me saying "black terrorists." Like you, he attributed something to me that never happened. Like you, he was wrong. I don't expect a correction from either one of you, that's the 'skeptic' way.
 
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arthwollipot said:
"I don't just blame blacks! Look, I blame Latinos as well!"

White supremacists are about the only people you don't blame.
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False.
I blame white supremacists only when white supremacists are the ones doing the mass shootings.
I blame blacks only when blacks are the ones doing the mass shootings.
I blame Latinos only when Latinos are the ones doing mass shootings.
I blame trannys only when trannys are the ones doing mass shootings.
I blame Asians only when Asians are the ones doing mass shootings.
I blame whites only when whites are the ones doing mass shootings.

You seem to have a hard time understanding that blacks commit the overwhelming majority of mass shootings while whites are a very small proportion.

So far this year there have been seven mass shootings with double-digit body counts. Of the seven, suspects have been arrested, killed or identified in four of them. . None of them have been white.
 
I'm feeling like blaming the shooter as an individual is the smarter move than blaming whatever group you declare them representative of.
 
Thermal said:
I'm feeling like blaming the shooter as an individual is the smarter move than blaming whatever group you declare them representative of.
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Nah. Blacks are just inherently violent and more prone to mass shootings. It's in their blood. Haven't you read The Bell Curve?
 
arthwollipot said:
Nah. Blacks are just inherently violent and more prone to mass shootings. It's in their blood. Haven't you read The Bell Curve?
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Fortunately we have people like you to tell us that the vast over-representation of blacks in the violent crime rates, including murder and rape, is really because of white racism, right?
 
arthwollipot said:
Nah. Blacks are just inherently violent and more prone to mass shootings. It's in their blood. Haven't you read The Bell Curve?
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Sure haven't. Does it address your accusations that I'm ignoring certain types of shootings?

No, just more deflection?
 
Bogative said:
Sure haven't. Does it address your accusations that I'm ignoring certain types of shootings?
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You're not ignoring them. Conceded. But you are also not engaging any discussion about the mass shootings you bring up. So why do it? What you are doing is spelling out the statistics in long form, with no interest in them beyond the color of their skin.

Can we be ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ done with this? The mass shootings you post are almost invariably the results of arguments, family slaughters, or (apparently) gang activity. In short, the people know each other, and their activity is limited to their social groups. When we talk about mass shootings, we are normally referring to a killer semi/randomly shooting strangers. No personal involvement, that the general population has to be wary of. The people in your stories are not taking a sniping perch in a Las Vegas hotel or taking an AR to school or marching into a grocery store or bowling alley and cracking off rounds at people they have no issues with.

Can we simply acknowledge the distinction so that things can get out of this endless screen saver? It's not "driving your point home" to post about an argument at a bar that results in multiple casualties, likely by accident. That's a phenomenon worth discussing in it's own right (deadly violence as a means of resolving relatively petty interpersonal disagreements), but as long as you don't engage any discussion beyond the race of the shooters, you're wearing a persona big and bold that is prohibitive of anything constructive being talked about.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
Poisoning the well much? Strawmanning too?
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Strawmanning? No. It happens on this board frequently. Poverty, slavery, redlining, food deserts, malnutrition, school to prison pipeline, systematic systems of institutional racism, etc. All of which are laid directly at the feet of white racism, white supremacy or white majority.
 
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Thermal said:
Can we be ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ done with this?
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No. I'll continue to post the double-digit mass shootings as a reminder to everyone that the random retard-culture mass shootings are a much greater danger to the public than the rare white supremacist mass shooting or 'white boy gone crazy' mass shooting.
 
Bogative said:
No. I'll continue to post the double-digit mass shootings as a reminder to everyone that the random retard-culture mass shootings are a much greater danger to the public than the rare white supremacist mass shooting or 'white boy gone crazy' mass shooting.
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Dude. You know you are creating the exact opposite impression that you are trying to portray, right? You aren't coming off as the voice of fact and reason here.
 
Thermal said:
Dude. You know you are creating the exact opposite impression that you are trying to portray, right? You aren't coming off as the voice of fact and reason here.
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Fact and reason on this site??? That's ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ laughable!
 
Bogative said:
Fact and reason on this site??? That's ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ laughable!
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I agree that your point is not being addressed by others. But that's not really their fault at this point, man. You went way too far without anything but "check it out- them darkies at it again".

Turn it around. Make the conversation go where there is one to be had without this silliness it devolved to.
 
Thermal said:
I agree that your point is not being addressed by others. But that's not really their fault at this point, man. You went way too far without anything but "check it out- them darkies at it again".

Turn it around. Make the conversation go where there is one to be had without this silliness it devolved to.
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I tried that approach a long time ago, It didn't work then, it won't work now.

I will continue using this current approach because I believe it is the most effective method for the amount of effort I'm willing to put out.

I'm thinking any extra effort will go to the "school shooting" thread, do some narrative shattering there as well.
 
arthwollipot said:
Nah. Blacks are just inherently violent and more prone to mass shootings. It's in their blood. Haven't you read The Bell Curve?
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It's factually true that young Black males are the most homicidal of any group in the US - by a lot. Our problem is that it is political kryptonite to openly notice this fact; the consequence being that the vastly disproportionate rate of Black homicides goes on unabatted. Instead, the eye of Sauron is focused on suburban NRA members with no criminal record.

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Trausti said:
It's factually true that young Black males are the most homicidal of any group in the US - by a lot. Our problem is that it is political kryptonite to openly notice this fact; the consequence being that the vastly disproportionate rate of Black homicides goes on unabatted. Instead, the eye of Sauron is focused on suburban NRA members with no criminal record.
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Why do you think this is the case?
 
3 double-digit mass shootings in May.

1 killed, 15 wounded – Sweet 16 party – Houston, Texas – May 14
No suspect description. Shooting occurred when an uninvited guest was asked to leave the party.

10 wounded – private boat party – Little River, South Carolina – May 25
Black male. Shooter opened fire into a crowd during an argument.

2 killed, 9 wounded – Unauthorized car meet up – Philadelphia, Pennsylvania – May 26
Glock with a switch and at least 4 other guns were fired. Law enforcement was present and dispersing the crowd when the shooting started.
6abc.com

5 guns likely fired during Fairmount Park mass shooting, Philadelphia police say

Philadelphia police said Thursday it appears that five different guns were used during the deadly mass shooting on Memorial Day in Fairmount Park.
6abc.com 6abc.com


0 White supremacist mass shooters.
 
It's a trained Militant apparently.

ISIS

Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer.
11 firefighters have been shot in Idaho today.
2 of them died.
Police are still engaged in a shooting with the shooter.
This is not your average shooter.
I wonder if it's a trained militant.
Coeur d'Alene has an active ISIS terror cell.
This is an act of terrorism.
Makes me wonder if it's domestic terror or Islamic terror.
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It's a trained Militant apparently.

ISIS
"Laura Loomer​
@LauraLoomer.​
11 firefighters have been shot in Idaho today.​
2 of them died.​
Police are still engaged in a shooting with the shooter.​
This is not your average shooter.​
I wonder if it's a trained militant.​
Coeur d'Alene has an active ISIS terror cell.​
This is an act of terrorism.​
Makes me wonder if it's domestic terror or Islamic terror."​
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From the links (not in your post) only 3 fire fighters are noted to have been shot: 2 dead and one critically injured. And the police found the shooter dead, maybe suicide. I see nothing anywhere that mentions 11 fire fighters shot or terrorist training or even a hint of any motive. If I were to guess I'd start with a lone wolf mental issue.
 
While everybody's here fapping over the prospect of the latest not-a-mass-shooting being perpetrated by a "MAGA type," I'll post June's numbers from gunarchives.org.

Starting out we have our first double-digit mass shooting of the year that involved a white male.

June 1 – 1 killed, 11 wounded – House party – Hickory, North Carolina
White male – Garon Killian
White male – Zachary Micheal Bates
Black male – Ke'andre O'Neal Mack
Black male – Izaiah Kane Mitchell
Black male – Toland Huff Jr.
Black male – Charles Rodell Kincaid III
abcnews4.com

New arrests made in North Carolina mass shooting that killed 1, injured 11

New arrests have been made in North Carolina following a weekend mass shooting that killed one person and injured 11 others.
abcnews4.com abcnews4.com

The rest are run-of-the-mill retard culture shootings, nothing special.

June 15 – 1killed, 11 wouned – Block party – Elkhart, Indiana

June 21 – 1 killed, 9 wounded – Juneteenth celebration – Anderson, South Carolina
Black male – Tiyelle Rakelle Demon Hollings
Black male – Kamiryn Ty’Zierriun Goss
Black male – Keeayatas Shameski Geer

June 22 – 15 wounded – Street party – Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Police were alerted by 2 separate ShotSpotters – a tool of white supremacy, according to some.


0 white supremacist mass shooters.
 
From my day/evening spent searching through the news reports on the murdered fire fighters, consider it my opinion, I don't want to cite anything tonight.

The shooter sounds like an incell though none of the news stories went there.

His parents divorced when he was 10. It sounds like there was physical violence and other kinds of turmoil. For reasons I didn't quite understand, his mom or grandmother or someone bought their house after they were not living in it and donated it to the fire department to practice by burning it down. Seems like that was enough to trigger this idiot.

At some point he applied to be a fire fighter, not sure of the time frame between that and the shooting. But he did have some recent disappointment(s) as these creeps often do that triggered the events.

Sadly 2 battalion chiefs were shot and killed right at the outset when they first encountered the guy and told him to move his truck. The third fire fighter was shot at the same time or soon after. He has been reported to be stable.

The police were able to trace the shooter's cell phone where they found him dead by a self inflicted gun shot. And yes there are pics with him with a MAGA hat on but political motivation seems unlikely to have been a key factor.
 
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