Helen
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You are of course correct (and I was just joking).
The Origin of Oumuamua
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arthwollipot
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Good to have it out there anyway. Just in case anyone was wondering.
JayUtah
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I was wondering.
Gord_in_Toronto
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The Saga Continues!!!!
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Betteridge's Law?
Cool story though.
Interstellar comet 3I/ATLAS sent by advanced civilizations to 'seed' life on Earth? Harvard scientist's big claim
Harvard scientist Avi Loeb has claimed that interstellar objects like 3I/ATLAS have been sent by advanced civilizations to 'seed' life on Earth. In a blog post, the renowned scientist suggested that the unusual trajectory and physical characteristics of 3I/ATLAS may indicate it is a...
Betteridge's Law?
Cool story though.
Trebuchet
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Earlier in this thread I compared Loeb to Michio Kaku. I hereby apologize to Dr. Kaku. He's got some wacky ideas but is not ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ insane.
Puppycow
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I utterly lost respect for Kaku as a serious scientist when he fell for the UFO claptrap. He was basically hyping it up on Joe Rogan.
arthwollipot
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Kaku is famous for being a futurist, not for being a scientist.
Kaku, I guess is a physicist, I wouldn't even say he's a futurist as much as just an entertainer. Of course, I was first exposed to Kaku by Art Bell, so I'm biased. Regardless, Loeb is much more of a crank. There's nothing that comes near to earth that he doesn't think is evidence of alien civilization.
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Hmm. Makes me wonder. Is the Moon hollow and was it built by aliens?
Damn. Apparently not:
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Puppycow
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So you say. However, he trades on being thought of by the general public as a scientist.
According to Wikipedia:
Michio Kaku - Wikipedia
Like Loeb, he occupies a professorship at a College, albeit one not quite as prestigious as Loeb.
As professors, Kaku and Loeb have a certain academic authority that they use to shill hype and nonsense regarding UFOs or Extraterrestrials. I don't know if either one is more or less "wacky" than the other.
arthwollipot
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I won't argue with that. Most people don't know what a "scientist" does, and will use that word to label anyone who's science-adjacent. Carl Sagan first and foremost was a science communicator, but he's remembered as a scientist as well.
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Other nutters chime in. We are doomed I tell you. DOOMED!
Only 24 hours to go.
Only 24 hours to go.
Steve
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Yes doomed! Not from this object but from the ever growing presence of lunatics on this planet.Other nutters chime in. We are doomed I tell you. DOOMED!
Only 24 hours to go.
Puppycow
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Avi's latest pivot: The comet is "ignoring" us, because frankly, we're just too primitive and backward for these highly advanced aliens to take any interest.
He also quotes Putin for some reason. (Who says it's a comet after making a joke about it being a secret space weapon.)
He also quotes Putin for some reason. (Who says it's a comet after making a joke about it being a secret space weapon.)
Steve
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Hard to know who to believe these days, what with the mentally ill scooping all the headlines.
Puppycow
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Avi's latest blog post delves into conspiracy mongering.
If 3I/ATLAS is a Comet, Why Would the CIA “Neither Deny, Nor Confirm” the Existence of Records on It?
Apparently someone sent a FOIA request to the CIA asking for any records held by the CIA regarding 3I/ATLAS. The request was denied, and the CIA refused to "confirm or deny" the existence of any such records. So this is taken as very suspicious of course, and Avi is insinuating that the CIA must know something about it that they are keeping secret from the public. Otherwise, why would they respond to this FOIA request in such a manner? Well, maybe this is just their way of giving the old bureaucratic middle finger to a nuisance FOIA request because they can. I don't think you can infer anything at all (about 3I/ATLAS) from this response. Maybe you can make inferences about the CIA and their general willingness to share information with the public, but that's it. They're probably happy that people are barking up the wrong tree.
From Avi's blog post:
If 3I/ATLAS is a Comet, Why Would the CIA “Neither Deny, Nor Confirm” the Existence of Records on It?
Apparently someone sent a FOIA request to the CIA asking for any records held by the CIA regarding 3I/ATLAS. The request was denied, and the CIA refused to "confirm or deny" the existence of any such records. So this is taken as very suspicious of course, and Avi is insinuating that the CIA must know something about it that they are keeping secret from the public. Otherwise, why would they respond to this FOIA request in such a manner? Well, maybe this is just their way of giving the old bureaucratic middle finger to a nuisance FOIA request because they can. I don't think you can infer anything at all (about 3I/ATLAS) from this response. Maybe you can make inferences about the CIA and their general willingness to share information with the public, but that's it. They're probably happy that people are barking up the wrong tree.
From Avi's blog post:
Because NASA and the CIA are different agencies with different agendas and missions. Besides, this is NASA's area of expertise, not the CIA's. The CIA also is not always reality based (they are also susceptible to woo-woo from time to time). Infamously, Uri Geller fooled the CIA into believing that he possessed paranormal abilities. Whatever some people at the CIA believe about the comet, frankly it's unlikely that they have any information that isn't known to professional astronomers.
Oi, vey! Who the hell thought to even ask the CIA about it? A. we all know their cameras are all pointed down. B. Aren't there some things they could just deny. I'm sure neither confirm nor deny is reflex are they worried that at some point in the future they will be spying on a Chinese moonbase and someone will ask them and the past denial that they look at space will be a problem?
Puppycow
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Exactly. If you answer every query with "we can neither confirm nor deny" then it reveals less information if people eventually ask you something relevant. If you pick and choose, then it reveals something when you do give that answer.
arthwollipot
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The CIA neither confirms nor denies absolutely everything. It's their job to neither confirm nor deny everything.
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