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The Origin of Oumuamua

Puppycow said:
I did start a thread about that.

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Thread 'Harvard professor Avi Loeb believes he's found fragments of alien technology'

Harvard professor Avi Loeb believes he's found fragments of alien technology

CAMBRIDGE - Harvard professor Avi Loeb believes he may have found fragments of alien technology from a meteor that landed in the waters off of Papua New Guinea in 2014.

Loeb and his team just brought the materials back to Harvard for analysis. The U.S. Space Command can confirm with almost near certainty, 99.999%, that it came from another solar system. The government gave Loeb a 10 km (6.2 mile) radius of where it may have landed.
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"It has material strength that is tougher than all space rock...
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tl; dr: It's not even certain that what he found actually came from a meteor, nor that it came from the particular meteor that "The U.S. Space Command confirmed with almost near certainty, 99.999%, that the material came from another solar system."

bigthink.com

The humiliating truth behind Harvard astronomer's "alien" spherules

Harvard astronomer Avi Loeb claimed to track down and find alien spherules on the ocean bottom. The sober truth is an utter embarrassment.
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Until two days ago, I figured that was just about the first time he thought he'd found a fragment of aliens. It just didn't seem reasonable to me that he'd find some other...object that he also thought was alien. I just hadn't understood how much of a monomaniac he was.
 
He wants to be the guy who discovers extraterrestrials. He wants history to associate his name with the discovery of aliens. There is nothing else inside him but this desire. Don't look to him for insight, for astronomical expertise, for cooking tips.
 
Puppycow said:
The Daily Fail has this gem today:



"Scientists baffled" is such a lazy, worn-out refrain. Especially when scientists are very much not baffled. Also "reverse thrust" is a lie. The solar wind is causing it to slow down slightly and also causing the tail of the comet to be pushed back. Nothing baffling about it.

The article goes on:

A "chilling warning", Oh Dear!! Whatever shall we do??!? It's about to release its payload of mini-probes.
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I suppose that with a "chilling warning" we might freeze.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
sg.news.yahoo.com

The Mysterious Interstellar Object May Be Slamming on the Brakes, Scientist Says

It's out of this world!
sg.news.yahoo.com sg.news.yahoo.com

The Mysterious Interstellar Object May Be Slamming on the Brakes, Scientist Says​


Or then again, maybe not. (The scientist is our old friend. ;) )
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When are they going to stop interviewing this ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ clown? This is the kind of ◊◊◊◊ that belongs on some dodgy Russian website!

We sit here and laugh at him, but there are many impressionable people who read this crap and believe it because they don't know any better. This butthole is doing a great disservice to science! But of course, it brings millions of ad views, so they'll never stop!
 
shemp said:
When are they going to stop interviewing this ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ clown? This is the kind of ◊◊◊◊ that belongs on some dodgy Russian website!

We sit here and laugh at him, but there are many impressionable people who read this crap and believe it because they don't know any better. This butthole is doing a great disservice to science! But of course, it brings millions of ad views, so they'll never stop!
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I think you just answered your own question.
 
OMFG!!! SOMEBODY MAKE HIM GO AWAY!!!

It's blue!!! It must be a spaceship!!! This likely-AI-written article says so!!! We're all doomed!!!

www.dailystar.co.uk

'Alien spaceship' is changing course as it picks up speed on way to Earth

Boffins are baffled by the Manhattan-sized space rock that is hurtling through space and heading towards Earth and now it has bizarrely changed course after picking up speed
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'Alien spaceship' is changing course and speeding up on way to Earth and no one knows why​

Boffins are baffled by the Manhattan-sized space rock that is hurtling through space and heading towards Earth and now it has bizarrely changed course after picking up speed​

A mystery object feared to be an alien spacecraft has "unexpectedly picked up speed" as it hurtles through space — and towards Earth. The interstellar object known as 3I/ ATLAS has been bursting through the Solar System at 130,000mph.

But boffins at Nasa say its speed has now soared to approximately 152,000mph. And they have noticed an "extra kick" moving the 12-mile craft off its predicted path, which can't be explained by the sun's gravity.

The sun contains almost all of the solar system’s mass, meaning its weight pulls all the planets together in a predictable motion scientists can measure. But these new movements by 3I/ATLAS appear to defy our laws of gravity.

While Nasa believes the sun's gravity is mainly responsible for the speed boost, scientists are having a harder time figuring out what has caused 3I/ATLAS to noticeably shift away from it.

Most experts are convinced the Manhattan-sized space rock was a comet believed to have travelled to the Sun from another star in a journey lasting billions of years.

But theoretical physicist Avi Loeb warned it could be an "extraterrestrial artefact" about to make first contact. And he argues the acceleration and the object's striking blue hue might mean it is actually artificial.
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P.S.: Bonus points for calling scientists "boffins."
 
Here's what Google's AI has to say about the Daily Star:
The Daily Star (UK)
Credibility: The UK edition is generally considered unreliable and is known for publishing sensationalized content, celebrity gossip, and "fake news".
Reputation: It is a tabloid newspaper with a reputation for publishing false or fabricated information and has been ranked very low in surveys regarding trustworthiness and impartiality.
Focus: It focuses more on entertainment and "taking the piss" out of politicians rather than serious news coverage.
Conclusion: It is not a credible source for reliable news.
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Even more!

www.wionews.com

What if 3I/ATLAS is not just a comet? exploring the unexplained features

What if 3I/ATLAS is not just a comet? Why are its speed, path, and gases so unusual? Scientists are watching closely to understand this strange visitor from space.
www.wionews.com www.wionews.com
What if 3I/ATLAS is not just a comet? Exploring the unexplained features

avi-loeb.medium.com

First Evidence for a Non-Gravitational Acceleration of 3I/ATLAS at Perihelion

By the date of its perihelion, 3I/ATLAS displayed the first evidence of a non-gravitational acceleration. The report (accessible here) was…
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First Evidence for a Non-Gravitational Acceleration of 3I/ATLAS at Perihelion

www.livescience.com

That was the week in science: Comet 3I/ATLAS glows green | Roman roads | Bear attacks

Monday, Nov. 3 to Friday, Nov. 7, 2025: The week's biggest discoveries and breakthroughs that made headlines.
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Latest science news: Comet 3I/ATLAS reappears

www.iflscience.com

Interstellar Object 3I/ATLAS Changed Color Again, And Shows Signs Of Non-Gravitational Acceleration

Behind the Sun, the comet appears to show signs of acceleration beyond what is expected by gravity. And for reasons not yet clear, it appears to have changed color.
www.iflscience.com www.iflscience.com
Interstellar Object 3I/ATLAS Changed Color Again, And Shows Signs Of Non-Gravitational Acceleration

:popcorn6

Wake me when it starts firing laser beams at Earth.
 
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Gord_in_Toronto said:
avi-loeb.medium.com

First Evidence for a Non-Gravitational Acceleration of 3I/ATLAS at Perihelion

By the date of its perihelion, 3I/ATLAS displayed the first evidence of a non-gravitational acceleration. The report (accessible here) was…
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First Evidence for a Non-Gravitational Acceleration of 3I/ATLAS at Perihelion
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Even Loeb admits:
The reported level of non-gravitational acceleration corresponds to a modest spatial deviation of order ten times the radius of the Earth over a period of a month, insufficient to bring 3I/ATLAS significantly closer to any Solar System planet from its original gravitational path.
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(Emphasis mine) In other words, the comet is outgassing, as expected. Outgassing is a lot like when you fill up a balloon with air and then let it go. Anyone who has ever done this knows that the balloon will then fly off in some direction as the air is pushed out of it.

He goes on to add:
Alternatively, the non-gravitational acceleration might be the technological signature of an internal engine.
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But no. The acceleration is "insufficient to bring 3I/ATLAS significantly closer to any Solar System planet from its original gravitational path" and therefore, unlikely to be something produced by an engine because what is the point of wasting fuel to change course ever so slightly in a way that doesn't bring it "significantly closer to any Solar System planet"?

It's a natural comet doing natural comet things.
 
AI/Atlas

This is a well reasoned discussion of the object. It's long but points out what makes the object interesting without going too far into the weeds.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
AI/Atlas

This is a well reasoned discussion of the object. It's long but points out what makes the object interesting without going too far into the weeds.
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No, that is utter nonsense.

I watched the first 45 seconds and reached this conclusion. I watched 15 more seconds to make it a full minute, and my initial judgement didn't change.

I'm willing to be open-minded and I gave it a chance, but when you tell lies in the first minute, I'm out.
 
Puppycow said:
No, that is utter nonsense.

I watched the first 45 seconds and reached this conclusion. I watched 15 more seconds to make it a full minute, and my initial judgement didn't change.

I'm willing to be open-minded and I gave it a chance, but when you tell lies in the first minute, I'm out.
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I'm not surprised there would be skeptics here. The talk did not once say there is evidence the object was anything but unusual and natural. I don't know what you are referring to as "lies". I'll note your opinion.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
AI/Atlas

This is a well reasoned discussion of the object. It's long but points out what makes the object interesting without going too far into the weeds.
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I looked at his other videos. When the titles includes "scientists cannot explain it" it tells me that the source is not very credible. Plus it is a new channel that talks only about the one subject. Conclusion: Get your information elesewhere.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I'm not surprised there would be skeptics here. The talk did not once say there is evidence the object was anything but unusual and natural. I don't know what you are referring to as "lies". I'll note your opinion.
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Here's the automatically generated transcript of the first minute of narration:
Something is wrong with the comet from another star. China's Mars Orbiter just sent back images that don't make sense.
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After losing more than 13% of its mass passing the sun, 3I/atlas should0:13
have a massive tail streaming behind it. Instead, there's just a fuzzy ball of
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light. No tail, no streaming debris, just silence where there should be
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chaos. This isn't the only thing that doesn't add up. In fact, there are now 10
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documented anomalies about this object. 10 separate behaviors that break the0:35
patterns we've seen in thousands of comets. Each one rare on its own. All 10
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together, the probability drops below 1 in 10,000. We're not saying it's
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artificial, but we are saying something very strange just passed through our
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solar system. And the more data we collect, the stranger it gets.
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October 3rd, 2025. While most of Earth looked elsewhere,
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China's Tanwin 1 probe tracked a faint speck of light from Mars orbit. The
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I've highlighted the issues I had with the first minute of the video.
Alternatively, here's what it says in the video description:
China’s Tianwen-1 just captured the closest images ever of interstellar comet 3I/ATLAS — and what they show has scientists baffled.
After shedding 13% of its mass (about 4 BILLION tons) near the Sun, 3I/ATLAS should have a giant tail.
Instead: no tail, no debris. Where did the mass go?
And that’s only 1 of 10 anomalies breaking every comet rule:
Ecliptic-aligned trajectory (about 0.2 percent odds)
Sunward jet that defies expectations
About 1000× more massive than prior interstellar visitors
Perfectly timed passes of Mars, Venus, and Jupiter during observations
More nickel than iron (industrial-like ratio)About 4 percent water (atypically low)
Unprecedented polarization signature
Aligned with the 1977 “Wow!” signal direction
Record-fast brightening
No tail despite massive mass loss
Each one is unlikely. All ten together? Less than one in ten thousand.
We’re not saying it’s artificial — but something very strange just crossed our Solar System.
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The idea that the comet "should" have a massive tail simply isn't true. Compared to comets from our own solar system, those that develop "massive" tails are those that have perihelion distances that take them very close to the sun. They don't have massive tails when they are out in the Oort cloud, for example. This one is both moving faster and even at its closest approach, it is farther from the sun than earth's orbit. Besides, it does have a tail. Saying that there's "no tail" simply isn't true. The "Sunward jet" is explainable for the same reason. It's not close enough to the sun for the solar wind to have much effect on it. All the other stuff is just cherry-picking supposed "anomalies" that aren't really anomalies. The "Ecliptic-aligned trajectory" for example. ATLAS, the telescope that found it, does a survey that looks for asteroids specifically in the ecliptic plane, because those are the ones most likely to present a potential danger to earth.
 
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