The Origin of Oumuamua

[Puppycow]

He still hasn't given up:

Astronomer: 30+ Percent Probability Interstellar Object Is Alien Craft Disguised as Comet

"As far as I know, there are no protocols for responding to the discovery of functioning alien devices near Earth."

ca.news.yahoo.com

Now, in a Q&A posted to his personal blog, Loeb is willing to put a number behind his suspicion.
“As of now, I assign a 30 to 40 percent likelihood that 3I/ATLAS does not have a fully natural origin,” he wrote. “This low-probability scenario includes the possibility of a black swan event akin to a Trojan Horse, where a technological object masquerades as a natural comet.”

(See here; posted about a day ago)
A "30 to 40 percent likelihood" is hardly a "low-probability scenario".

In an earlier post (about 6 days ago) he also mentioned the "Trojan horse" and called people who think it's a natural comet "dogmatists". He gave a list of "anomalies" that the "dogmatists" "must be held accountable" to explain.

Dogmatists who insist that 3I/ATLAS is a comet of natural origin must be held accountable to explain all of these anomalies as results of probable natural processes. The existence of the second category of persistent anomalies implies that I will never rank 3I/ATLAS lower than 2 on the Loeb Scale (which was defined here and quantified here).

We must keep in mind the story of the Trojan Horse — where an innocent-looking visit delivered an existential threat to the city of Troy. In his famous wager, Blaise Pascal argued that we must consider God seriously, even if we believe that the likelihood for its existence is small, because the implications of this notion are huge. I argue the same regarding the technological origin of anomalous interstellar objects like 1I/`Oumuamua or 3I/ATLAS.

This "Trojan Horse" notion makes it basically very difficult to rule out any interstellar object since even those that appear to be completely natural object and which behave as natural objects would behave might be alien technology in disguise.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Oh. Oh.

Interstellar comet 3I/ATLAS is leaking water like a 'fire hose running at full blast,' new study finds

"It tells us that the ingredients for life's chemistry are not unique to our own."

www.space.com

Looks like the probe has a problem. Maybe they'll have to stop by for repairs?

Good thing Earth has a lot of water to spare.

(Beat Avi to it!!)

 

[shemp]

Why isn't Avi mentioned in this report? Isn't that required?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Why isn't Avi mentioned in this report? Isn't that required?

'cause I got there first!

 

[Puppycow]

This is an actually good video about the comet:

 

[Mike Helland]

Cool screen shot I got from here:

Eyes on the Solar System - NASA/JPL

Explore the 3D world of the Solar System. Learn about past and future missions.

eyes.nasa.gov

 

[Mike Helland]

It's basically coming in from outside the solar system straight toward the sun. But off to one side. And most of the planets are off to the other side.

 

[shemp]

Looks like Avi's not the only one making idiotic claims.

New Comet Could Be 7 Billion Years Old And Contain $455 Trillion of Nickel

Astronomers are watching a new comet pass through our solar system with great interest. Based on its glow, the 33-billion-ton interstellar object is…

cowboystatedaily.com

New Comet Could Be 7 Billion Years Old And Contain $455 Trillion of Nickel​

Astronomers are watching a new comet pass through our solar system with great interest. The 33-billion-ton interstellar object is super flat and, based on the glow emanating from it, is believed to contain a shockingly high quantity of nickel.

3I/ATLAS was discovered by the Asteroid Terrestrial-impact Last Alert System (ATLAS) based in Chile. It’s only the third interstellar object to be observed in our Solar System, meaning it originated from somewhere beyond our infinitesimally small section of the universe.

As of Friday, nickel is selling for $6.90 per pound. That means that, at 33 billion tons, that asteroid would be potentially worth $455 trillion.

Assuming that the entire asteroid is made of pure nickel. Which, of course, is what some idiots think.

Some reports on 3I/ATLAS have said it’s made of “pure nickel.” Gilbraith is skeptical of that claim for several reasons.

“You have to be careful about your verbiage,” he said. “The comet is very much a volatile object, so it’s still mostly made out of water and carbon dioxide ice. It has nickel and other metals in it, but the true ratio of nickel to iron won't be determined until you do UV imaging with the Hubble Space Telescope in November.”

Maybe they'll claim the next one is pure gold and inhabited by beautiful women with big breasts!

 

[Puppycow]

Assuming that the entire asteroid is made of pure nickel. Which, of course, is what some idiots think.

Yeah, that's the price after refining, not the price for raw ore.

According to Google, "Nickel makes up about 1.8% of the Earth's total mass, placing it as the seventh most abundant element."

The mass of the Earth is approximately 5.972×10²⁴ kg so that means that about 1.7×10²³ kg is nickel. 33 billion tons (the weight of the asteroid) is 3.3×10¹³ kg (right? assuming 1000 kg per ton). So that's roughly one 5 billionth the amount of nickel on earth. (and only if pure nickel, which of course, it isn't.)

 

[Trebuchet]

And of course, a sudden increase in supply would cause prices to drop.

 

[Puppycow]

Another good one. I considered whether to put this in one of the threads about UFOs and the evidence, but it goes very well here too.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Another good one. I considered whether to put this in one of the threads about UFOs and the evidence, but it goes very well here too.

Could not have said it better myself.

 

[ahhell]

Just heard a podcast about Avi Loeb, is there anything he doesn't think is a relic of alien civilizations? He's now got some meteorite in the pacific he says is probably alien.

 

[shemp]

Just heard a podcast about Avi Loeb, is there anything he doesn't think is a relic of alien civilizations? He's now got some meteorite in the pacific he says is probably alien.

He's a relic of a stupid civilization.

 

[gerdbonk]

Loebism: "Eventually, one of these things is going to turn out to be alien. Then I'll be famous forever."

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

This is an actually good video about the comet:

Yay Frasier and Puppycow for sharing this video! That's the best one I've seen, nice mix of supporting evidence without dismissing the claims of alien evidence out of hand or sensationalizing any of the anomalies beyond what could possibly be indicated.

 

[arthwollipot]

Just heard a podcast about Avi Loeb, is there anything he doesn't think is a relic of alien civilizations? He's now got some meteorite in the pacific he says is probably alien.

Oh, he's had that for ages now. Old news.

 

[ahhell]

Oh, he's had that for ages now. Old news.

New to me but seriously? Whats up with this guy?

 

[Puppycow]

New to me but seriously? Whats up with this guy?

I did start a thread about that.

Thread 'Harvard professor Avi Loeb believes he's found fragments of alien technology'

Jul 7, 2023

Harvard professor Avi Loeb believes he's found fragments of alien technology

CAMBRIDGE - Harvard professor Avi Loeb believes he may have found fragments of alien technology from a meteor that landed in the waters off of Papua New Guinea in 2014.

Loeb and his team just brought the materials back to Harvard for analysis. The U.S. Space Command can confirm with almost near certainty, 99.999%, that it came from another solar system. The government gave Loeb a 10 km (6.2 mile) radius of where it may have landed.

"It has material strength that is tougher than all space rock...

• Puppycow
• avi loeb
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• Forum: General Skepticism and The Paranormal

tl; dr: It's not even certain that what he found actually came from a meteor, nor that it came from the particular meteor that "The U.S. Space Command confirmed with almost near certainty, 99.999%, that the material came from another solar system."

The humiliating truth behind Harvard astronomer's "alien" spherules

Harvard astronomer Avi Loeb claimed to track down and find alien spherules on the ocean bottom. The sober truth is an utter embarrassment.

bigthink.com

 

[Puppycow]

The Daily Fail has this gem today:

Scientists baffled as interstellar visitor appears to reverse thrust before vanishing behind the sun

"Scientists baffled" is such a lazy, worn-out refrain. Especially when scientists are very much not baffled. Also "reverse thrust" is a lie. The solar wind is causing it to slow down slightly and also causing the tail of the comet to be pushed back. Nothing baffling about it.

The article goes on:

The Harvard professor issued a chilling warning as the object was set to move behind the sun on Tuesday.

The object, dubbed 3I/ATLAS, will be exactly on the opposite side of the sun relative to Earth, constituting a so-called `solar conjunction,' tomorrow, which Avi Loeb said would be 'an opportune time for technological action.'

Loeb explained that in space travel, the best time to speed up or slow down a spacecraft is when it's closest to a large object, since firing the engine at that point, known as the Oberth effect, gives the biggest change in speed.

'If 3I/ATLAS is a massive mothership, it will likely continue along its original gravitational path and ultimately exit the Solar system,' the professor shared in a Sunday blog post.

'In that case, the Oberth maneuver might apply to the mini-probes it releases at perihelion towards Solar system planets.'

A "chilling warning", Oh Dear!! Whatever shall we do??!? It's about to release its payload of mini-probes.